UNESCO World publication used by NACES

from what I see all the sourses are UNESCO

http://www.irex.org/pubs/chang/bibliography.pdf#search='A%20Pier%20World%20Education%20Series%20Special%20Report%20on%20Russia,%20UNESCO'


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Learner

 

Re: Re: UNESCO World publication used by NACES

In this case, it's Russia. I might not like this country much, but accreditation from there does assure that the school is not a mill, for the most part. Remember: IUFS is NOT accredited in Russia, it only claims so.
If it were one of the eastern dictatorships like Turkmenistan, post-1991, I would be puzzled. You can say very little about what happening inside of those. My guess is that they're still better than Liberia, education-wise.

Oh, and Leningrad Agricultural Academy is, apparently, one of the "old" institutions, not a recently accredited private outfit. Still more credibility.

 

you missed this sentence

A Pier World Education Series Special Report on USSR," published in 1992 we have determined that this diploma is equivalent to first professional university degree in Veterinary Medicine in the United States.


see they also used a Pier book as well. I have many of those in my collection.

 

Would you mind please providing a link that isn't screwed-up?

 

I have not read/reviewed/studied this yet, but I think this is the corrected 'A%20Pier%20World%20Education%20Series%20Special%20Report%20on%20Russia,%20UNESCO']link that Lerner tried to post.

It points to a *.pdf bibliographic document? Is this correct, Lerner?

Lerner, please re-post YOUR link. Thanks.

 

Re: you missed this sentence

Isn't the Pier World Educatiom series special report - prepered CEPES/UNESCO?

Its a UNESCO report just like the other one is UNESCO International Handbook of Universities.

 

Re: Re: you missed this sentence

For acuracy - The World Education Series was sponsored originally by AACRAO; publications issued by the Joint Committee on Workshops were joint projects of AACRAO and NAFSA; the World Education Series was later published by the Projects for International Education Research (PIER) Committee of AACRAO, NAFSA and The College Board. The PIER collaboration was terminated in 2002 and future studies of international education systems will be published under the AACRAO International Education Series.

http://www.aacrao.org/publications/catalog/wes.htm

Its very respected publication.

the special report on USSR by E. Popovich is CEPES/ UNESCO

I was wrong to think that only IHU was used.

but this what I remembered:

Status of Institution

Leningrad Agricultural Institute is internationally recognized as degree granting institution of higher education listed in the International Handbook of Universities, 12th Edition, published by International Association of Universities, 1991. Degrees and course work from this institution are generally accepted by regionally accredited institutions of higher education in the United States.



learner

My apology to the evaluation agency

"Educational Records Evaluation Service, Inc.
601 University Avenue, Suite 127
Sacramento, CA 95825
Phone: (916) 921-0790
Fax: (916) 921-0793
email: [email protected]
http://www.eres.com"

for not beeng acurate and noticing the PIER publication.

My personal opinion is that if IHU contains listings of Diploma mills then it shouldnt be used by any respected agency.

my personal opinion.

 

Re: Re: you missed this sentence

I am looking at The soviet System of Education, 1992. Its a PEIR World Education Series Special Report. Its written by Erika Popovych of WES, New York and Brian Levin-Stankevick of Florida Atlantic University. As I look at this book, I notice AACRAO and NAFSA are mentioned, no UNESCO any where. So, I further purused my collection of PEIR books and low behold not a singe one has any connection to UNESCO. Peir books are created by and used by AACRAO and NAFSA members, who also happen to use the IAU database, which though it maybe slightly flawed is not a bad resource.

Lerner, I usually enjoy reading what you have to say, but I really think you are way off base one this one.

well aparently you answered yourself before I finished posting.

 

Yes i confused it with the paper by oleg kyptsov - it was a romanian based CEPES UNESCO paper and was written in 2000 - 2002.

So I'm confused In regard of usage of IHU.

Well I corrected my mistake with additional research.

Lesson learned

learner

 

You watch: Turns out I was right to nail Learner on this one early on; yet somehow I'm still going to end-up being remembered as the schmuck.



Talk about lessons learned.

 

Stop it! I'm gettin' all misty-eyed. [sniff]

 

So how did you nail me?

Are you approve of the use by the agency IHU - UNESCO
If you read my initial post you will see that I had an issue with the usage of IHU - International handbook of universities.

I admit that I didn't have on me at the time the full evaluation so when I reviewed it carefully the PIER World ... was used as well but and there is a big but the report outlined that the university is recognized internationally by listing in IHU.

And your accusations that I'm trying to promote the IHU as legitimate are obviously absurd.

And I still don't think that IHU if this publication lists diploma Mills should be used by such an agency.

Unless IHU is not as bad is it made to be in this forum.

So what exactly did you nail?

If anyone it was Jack

One thing that I would want to know is what other steps were taken to evaluate this person's credentials?

This is were I was wrong - I didn't remember that the evaluator read PIER .... about the education system in Soviet Union.
And confused PIER with UNESCO.

But the IHU is UNESCO

Status of Institution

Leningrad Agricultural Institute is internationally recognized as degree granting institution of higher education listed in the International Handbook of Universities, 12th Edition, published by International Association of Universities, 1991. Degrees and course work from this institution are generally accepted by regionally accredited institutions of higher education in the United States.

Wile the conclusion is correct - and please read - STATUS OF INSTITUTION.

The source is unacceptable in my humble opinion.

The only change to my original post is?

I was surprised to read that major leading NACES member credential evaluator is using UNESCO IHU publication and listing of a school as final recomendation that THE STATUS OF INSTITUTION it is RA equivalent.

I read couple of other evaluation from another leading NACES member and it also relied on this IHU Handbook.

I was under impression that this book is not used so match for
determining equivalency.

Any way the report was for State Job and it was accepted by the State agency.

PIER World Education Series Special Report on USSR was used as well but my issue is with usage oh IHU.
learner

 

Umm... hey, Learner... um... just... you know... in case you hadn't noticed...

...this thread's over.

 

So why are you bringing this up?
look at the date for my last post and let it go.

It was taken of line by very intelligent persons who didn't want to deal with remarks of persons who seem to be on steroids or had a bad day .

Or suffer from eRage - you know some have road rage others have discussion forum rage or what I call eRage.


Some of the messages followed your "intelegent" remarks:

“I want to apologize for DesElms. His post was uncalled for an terribly rude and unprofessional. The university you mentioned deserved the equivalency of = to a RA degree. Often agencies site one or two texts but don't rely on the them entirely. Often they do but when something comes up - for example BERNE was listed but not evaluated well for any length of time - things change.

I do not post to this board because I do not want to deal with the kind of replies you got.

Good luck and feel free to contact me via PM - I am knowledgeable in the evaluation arena.

Best Regards,”

Umm... hey, Greg... um... just... you know...
the tread goes on just away from your very "helpfooll" assistance.

The funny thing is we share the same opinion on IHU - go figure.

learner

 

Oh, my, aren't we smug.

Taking conversations "off line" is not what this place is about. Quoting, without attribution, things written during said alleged offline disucussions is cowardly and blindsiding... which is no surprise, coming from you. Anyone can cheat. Put it out here, in front of everyone, and fight like a man.

No one is authorized to apologize for me. They can commiserate and opine about they consider to be my rudeness all they want, but they don't get to apologize for me, or speak/write on my behalf, in any manner whatsoever. Because, according to you, someone has dared to, let's make this perfectly clear: I don't apologize for anything I wrote here. Nothing!

And let's review, Mr. Blowitoutofproportion: All I did was not let you make what I was virtually certain were false and misleading statements about a NACES member agency. Turns out I was right: You had. I'm sorry that you don't like being nailed for it.

It doesn't matter that the institution... um... how did your secret communicator say it... "deserved the equivalency of = to a RA degree." That was never at issue, here. What was at issue was your suggestion that a NACES member agency relied, exclusively, on a UNESCO list that is well-known for being a place where diploma mills are also listed.

I challenged you to document your allegation. You resented it and tried to make it sound like there was something wrong with me... as you're still doing. Turns out, though, that I was right; and that you had proffered misinformation... as I said from the beginning. You may not have meant to, and that's fine. I can understand how that could happen. But considering the fact that it's your mistake, in any case, you certainly are doing a good job of playing the poor, injured, picked-on-by-the-bully role, here.

My point in calling to your attention to the fact that the thread was over was to suggest, without actually saying it, that there's no point in continuing to try to explain it. If you had an ounce of decency, maturity or fair-mindedness in you, you'd simply wear your mistake and stop trying to explain your way out of it.

Everyone screws-up now and then. You, me, everyone reading this right now... we all screw-up now and then. This time it was your turn. Next time maybe it will be mine. It's no big deal. But, despite that, you're turning it into something else; something worse and more hurtful; something that I did to poor, innocent you.

You like making undocumented statements. You did it when you started this thread, and you're doing it again with your refernences to what did or did not take place "offline," where no one can see who said what or put any of it into context, or hold anyone accountable. It's your way. You've done it in this place before. It's one of the reasons I have so little respect for you.

But that's a bed you made, not me. Wear your acts instead of trying to paint your plight as the responsibility of others.

Come to the table with proof, next time, and these incidents will not wind up the way this one has.

 

Greg you acused me of trying to promote UNESCO IHU.

it's fact that it was used why are you pretending or are you pretending?


From the beginning my post was about the NACES member agency using the IHU to point to schools status as internationally recognized.

YOU and I repeat YOU had problem with that.

jack for example had no problem with that as long as IHU wasnt the only method to identify the school.

The PIER was used as well.

This is were I dropped the ball and admited my mistake.

Are you man anough to admit yours and actually back me up that IHU shouldn be used.

You choice, after all I'm not the only one who reads this.

Learner

 

Oy.

Okay, you can have the last word. The rest of us know the thread's over.

Bu-bye, now.