Trump goes from saying wages are too high

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  1. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    jerry! Jerry! Jerry!
     
  2. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Sometime around 2005 or 2006, when Bob Taft was Governor of Ohio, I said (perhaps on this very board) that I wanted Jerry Springer to move from Mayor of Cincinnati to Governor of Ohio ton President of the United States.
     
  3. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    If you believe that having political experience is necessary to run for President (I disagree), then wouldn't not having political experience be a barrier?

    Can't have it both ways.

    Right, and Reagan's "Voodoo Economics" were going to ruin the economy, also. That didn't quite work out that way, did it?

    BTW, what was President Obama's experience, beyond warming a Senate seat? Can you name any accomplishments of his while in the Senate?

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/09/us/politics/09obama.html?_r=0

    I wouldn't bet the house on that one. Hillary Clinton has been treated with kid pillow gloves by the media and even Bernie Sanders. Trump won't be holding back anything, and if there's one thing Hillary can't stand, it's being questioned.

    After all;

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  4. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This is as funny as anything you've ever said.
     
  5. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Jack Kennedy's only experience was warming a Senate seat. And Dan Quayle's only experience was warming a Senate seat.
     
  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Well, hopefully Trump is close enough for you? :eek:
     
  7. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Kennedy served for 3 terms (6 years) in the House of Representatives, and a full term in the Senate (6 years), while Quayle served 2 terms (4 years) in the House, and a full term-plus (7 years) in the Senate, so those really aren't good analogies.

    Obama served a half-term (3 years) in the Senate, a lot of which was spent running for President.
     
  8. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Plus 8 years in the Illinois Senate before leaving that seat for the U.S. Senate.
     
  9. Stanislav

    Stanislav Well-Known Member

    No, effecting a technical default on treasury notes will really ruin the world financial system. These papers are special: a zero-risk investments, true north for all finance. Banks do not even have a model on how to operate when t-notes are suddenly not zero risk. 2008 meltdown will be fondly remembered as "good times".
    Bruce, can you ever admit that Trump is wrong on something?
     
  10. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Of course, but when it comes to the economy, I'll trust the judgment of a billionaire businessman over self-described Socialists like Sanders and Clinton.
     
  11. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Microeconomics is not the same as macroeconomics. Having the understanding of one doesn't automatically give you an understanding the other.
     
  12. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    You'd put your trust in a guy that thinks he can buy back the national debt at a discount? An action that not only is impossible, but would destroy our economy and the world's? An action that would drive up our borrowing expenses and cost us trillions more in debt? Really? That's who you trust?

    This isn't about one's values or style. This is, as another posted said, about macroeconomics. Such a move would be moronic and destructive on a historical level.

    There is a significant minority of people in this country that Trump appeals to. This is an example of why that is.
     
  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    This is entirely right -- and when Rich and I agree so completely about something involving economics, that's a statement right there.

    Trump isn't wealthy because he's a master of free market economics, he's wealthy because he had a millionaire kid's head start and a talent for rent seeking. He's not the solution; he and corporatists like him have been a huge part of the problem all along. Gary Johnson is the only truly economically literate choice, but even Clinton would probably be less bad than Trump on macroeconomics.
     
  14. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    It's as much about finance as it is macroeconomics, I should add to correct myself. Public finance. Either way, the point is that Trump is aggresively ignorant on this point. Or, at least, he's counting on his voters to be.
     
  15. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    And, his businesses went bankrupt four times. This isn't a matter of whether someone is a socialist, capitalist, or somewhere in between. A lot of people across the spectrum who have more education and common sense on the matter disagree with Trump. Being a billionaire isn't an automatic qualifier for running a nation's economy. I'm sure there are other billionaires who disagree with him, and we do have to remember that Trump used to support the Clintons aka "socialists."
     
  16. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member


    That's some cherry picking there. A few things to add to this...

    How many people have won the lottery or have been given large amounts of money and have failed? How many companies borrowed millions and went under? I doubt I can turn millions into billions.


    He was also a very close personal friend of the Bush family. He also was on Larry King in the 80's saying the same stuff he says today. He owns 100's of companies, four out of 100's went under and you think that's bad?

    Did he go to college? People keep acting like he never went to school. As I recall he went to a very good school and earned a degree in something.
     
  17. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    A lot of wealthy families manage to stay wealthy and have even increased their wealth across generations. You can't compare Trump to poor and middle class people who have won the lottery. I do give Trump credit, though, for knowing how to rip off his creditors multiple times. Yes, Trump has been friends with the political establishment for a long time because he is the establishment. Also, Trump has been on TV in the 90s and 2000s agreeing with Democratic policies.

    Speaking of billionaires, I just saw Mark Cuban on TV. He predicts that there will be stock market turmoil due to uncertainty if Trump is elected. He said that Trump flip flops a lot and doesn't take clear policy stances because he hasn't done the research.
     
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  18. b4cz28

    b4cz28 Active Member


    All stuff I heard about Obama. Blah Blah Blah...
     
  19. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I don't know if Mark Cuban's prediction is going to come true; but, if people think that being a billionaire means that Trump knows what he's talking about, well there are other billionaires who disagree with him. I have yet to hear someone come up with a logical argument for why Trump will make a good president. I don't know if he'll be horrible because no one really knows what he stands for, but there is no proof that he will be good. He says a lot of nonsensical things.
     
  20. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    Over Socialists who think they can redistribute wealth and tax us back to prosperity?

    You bet I would.
     

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