The Trinity Web

And, interestingly, your site and your accreditor's site were both designed by the same company. Personally, having seen both, I'd ask for your money back.

Oak Tree Web-Builders



Tom Nixon

 

SNHS lives inside a metal box?

Why, that lovely diploma gives an address for SNHS! It is:

The School of Natural Health Sciences
2 Lansdowne Row, Berkeley Square
London W1x 8HL

Let's ask the U.K. Royal Mail what is there.

Well, isn't this interesting? The Royal Mail says that 2 Lansdowne Row is occupied by "Citybox Mayfair Ltd."

It's a cool neighborhood, with a Starbuck's and a bar and a bagel place and... Here's the full list:

Moffats, 1, Lansdowne Row, LONDON, W1J 6DP
Citybox Mayfair Ltd, 2, Lansdowne Row, LONDON, W1J 6HL
Shoe Repairs, 3, Lansdowne Row, LONDON, W1J 6DR
Bar Ziggy, 4-5, Lansdowne Row, LONDON, W1J 6DS
Coral, 6-7, Lansdowne Row, LONDON, W1J 6DT
Mayfair Fotos, 8, Lansdowne Row, LONDON, W1J 6DU
Derek Spivack, 9-10, Lansdowne Row, LONDON, W1J 6DX
Hugo Morelli, 11-12, Lansdowne Row, LONDON, W1J 6DY
Starbucks, 16, Lansdowne Row, LONDON, W1J 8QD
Cards Galore, 17, Lansdowne Row, LONDON, W1J 8QE
Mona Lisa Restaurant, 19, Lansdowne Row, LONDON, W1J 8QG
Bagel Factory, 20, Lansdowne Row, LONDON, W1J 8QQ
The Nightingale Cafe, 21, Lansdowne Row, LONDON, W1J 8QH
Katies Of Mayfair, 23-24, Lansdowne Row, LONDON, W1J 8QL
Tanika's Flowers, 29, Lansdowne Row, LONDON, W1J 8QP

You can find the neighborhood in aerial photos of London.

Well, maybe "Citybox Mayfair Ltd" is really a school? Look on the web for that 2 Lansdowne Row address...
Citibox: postal, packing & shipping.

Nope, there's no campus there. There are a number of businesses with a 2 Lansdowne Row address and a "suite" number. So the address given by the school is a remailing service, not a campus business office.

 

Not only that, one of the main figures at the the Accreditor and "prestigious professional organisation" appears to have a dubious title.

One of the people listed is a Sir Michael Carr-Jones. A search for him gives the following page from a Complementary Health Website giving the post-nominal KCPT.

A search for "KCPT knight" gives this page, which reveals the title is less than legitimate (Knight Commander of the Plantagenet Toxophiles).

Not exactly something a major figure in a "prestigious professional organisation" should claim to have, and it does raise some ethical questions.

 

Re: Reply to Gregg L. DesElms

Everyone makes typos now and then... er... well... you know... except for quack holistic healers with bogus degrees, I guess.

What is even more obvious -- especially from the argument you have just proffered -- is that you have no earthly idea what "accreditation" means and why your use of it is so perverse... not withstanding anything you've written here about it.

Okay. That mission was accomplished long ago. So why are you still here, quack.

So is begged the question, yet again: Why are you still here, then?

With any luck, every quack holistic healer of your ilk will think exactly as you do. Thankgod.

Is not! Is not! [sticks-out tongue with eyes closed and fingers waggling with thumbs stuck in ears]

Coming from someone who's chosen to do with his life what you've chosen to do with yours, that's rich.

Don't hold yer breath.

I think that ship has already sailed.

You didn't come here to express an opinion. You came here to sucker someone into treating you and your little "school" as though you and it were credible. Sorry. No can do.

Ha! Gimmee a freakin' break. You have no idea with whom you're sparring, here, do you, Legal Boy? Libel? Ha! You've got to be kidding! You wanna' sue me for libel? Give it your best shot, Sparky! Wait... here... lemmee see if I can make a bigger target for you, Mr. All-Talk-and-No-Action:

It is my considered opinion that Jack Cox, BSc. Dip. H.E., and Operations Director of The School of Natural Health Sciences (SNHS Ltd.) in the U.K. is a quack and a fraud. The lame "accreditor," NCHM, that his "school" claims is an even bigger fraud. I hereby state the foregoing opinion with the express intent of harming the business operations, and sullying the reputation, of the aforementioned person and business entities. The reader should make no mistake about it, and I hereby make this warning to all: Do not do business with The School of Natural Health Sciences (SNHS, Ltd) in the U.K. Do not trust the imprimatur of its lame "accreditor," NCHM. Most of all, do not trust any further than you can throw one Jack Cox, SNHS's alleged Operations Director. He is incalculably untrustworthy, as is clearly evidenced by his shameful behavior here, his company's woefully amateurish and misleading web site, and the laughable web site (and its content) of his company's "accreditor"... or so the foregoing is my opinion.

There. Target big enough for ya' now, Sparky?

 

Yeah. What he said.

 

I think that's enough published lies about myself and my organisation to quality as libel. You have 10 day to retract or you will hear from my lawyers.

You stupid little nit pickers can't just write whatever you like about good people without facing the consequences.

 

Fair enough. I'm sure you're familiar with the discovery process that will be instituted during court proceedings. Good luck with that.



Tom Nixon

 

I believe that I can document the fact that I am not stupid (poor judgement at times but then that's a different story entirely). I also believe that I can produce evidence to support the fact that I have never, not once in my life, picked a nit. I believe that I've been defamed! I've been libeled! You have, oh let's say two or three weeks to retract your statements or you sir will hear from my lawyers.
(loud harumph, cough, cough, heavy sigh, eyeroll)
Jack
"I'm gonna get myself a cheap lawyer!"
(Moe Howard, 1946)

 

Part 1 of 2

Hmm. Now who's makin' typos? Gotcha' a little rattled, there, Jack, do I?

Ohgod, no! Not that! What will we do? [wrings hands; paces back and forth] What will we do?

Wha... "Stupid li..." Why yo... Okay, that's it! Now you've done it! You've... You've... [wait a minute... lemmee go see how you worded it earlier...

...okay... got it...] You've fallen fowl of the laws of libel now, Buster! You have 10 days to retract or you will hear from my lawyers!

[snicker]

And how telling it is, isn't it, that you call us "nit pickers?" Only a charlatan of the type we routinely out around here, and the likes of whom this forum refuses to abide, would consider as "nit picking" our calling him on such inconsequential little things as... oh... I dunno... credibility... just to name one.

You go ahead and sick your lawyers on me Jack. And please... really... don't even bother waiting 10 days. No retraction from anyone here will ever come. Ever! In fact, if you keep pushing it, I may start posting everything I say to or about you in huge, bold, red letters, just for sport. In fact, I may even launch an anti-Jack Cox/anti-SNHS/anti-... er... what's the other one, again?... oh... yeah... anti-NCHM web site of my very own. Let's see... is bewareofjackcox.com available? Or... no... how 'bout watchoutforsnhs.com? That might work.

If you keep making threats, Jack, and insisting that you and your little quack holistic healing schooling operation and its dubious "accreditor" are legitimate, then it might just awaken the consumer-protection advocate in me and I may be forced to mount a web site to protect the good citizens of the U.K. (and anywhere else that you happen to market your services) from you and your quackery, Jack.

Hey, wait... "quackery"... "Jack"... hmmmm... how 'bout jackandhisquakery.com... that's got something of a ring to it, doesn't it?

Er... hold it... I got it! jackthequack.com... that one's even better!

Hmmmm... what a thought... stand by, everybody... lemmee go see if that domain's available...


[time passes; tension builds]


Bygod it was available...

...but isn't now 'cause I just registered it.

Hey, look, everyone... jackthequack.com is mine! (At this writing, it hasn't yet propagated in DNS; so it may not show-up yet in WHOIS records... but, trust me, I just registered it.)

Maybe I should also register jackthequack.net so I can launch a free email service which drives millions, rather than just thousands, of people to the "Jack the Quack" web site.

Or maybe I should also register jackthequack.org so I can launch a not-for-profit foundation that funds efforts to root-out and expose holistic healing quackery in the U.K. We could call it "The Jack Cox Memorial Holistic Anti-Quackery Foundation, Ltd." Hmmm... has a certain ring to it, don't you think?

I guess being a domain reseller has its advantages. It only cost me $6.95 to take that crucial first step toward really hurting Jack and his little quack holistic empire (and its "accreditor," of course).

You know, Jack... I tried to warn you. Did I not? Remember? I wrote:

• "Take a big ol' giant step back and just leave it alone, okay? Your blood pressure, I promise you, will thank you for it."

I wrote that, right? "Take a giant step back and just leave it alone..." What part of that fair and simple warning did you just not understand, Jack?

Oh, but, no... Jack doesn't heed fair warnings. Ol' Jack's gotta' just keep on pushin'... makin' threats and talkin' trash about "fall[ing] foul of libel laws" (God, I just love that one, don't you?), and sickin' his big, bad lawyers on us -- or, more specifically, me; and comin' in here and insistin' that he, his silly little, fraudulent, quackery-spreading company, with it's amateurish, telling web site, and its "accreditor" of dubious distinction, are actually credible... even in the face of overwhelming and incontrovertable evidence to the contrary; and just generally stirrin' things up and gettin' stink all over the place.

Oy.

But why am I surprised? That's pretty much what the all the trolls, shills, shams, charlatans and other generally nefarious characters tend to do around here, isn't it?

And now, just look... ol' Jack's all worked-up and fixin' to make it personal, isn't he?

Okay. You wanna' fight, little man? Fine. Go ahead and take the next step. I dare ya'. Give it yer best shot. And don't wait 10 days... please. Do it now. Retain counsel (Hoo! Just wait 'til Jack finds out what that's 'gonna cost) and have him or her send me a threatening letter or email. I love it when lawyers turn bullies-for-hire and send empty threats in letters and/or emails to people like me over whom they haven't a chance of prevailing in a U.S. court of law. I've gotten... well, I've lost count... of such letter over the years. And you know what? Not one -- not one single one of them -- ever followed through on any of their empty threats. They never do. This situation -- if you dare to follow-through -- will be no different.

In fact, I even had a 3-inch by 5-inch rubber stamp custom-made, a few years back -- I'm not kidding... it's a stamp that utilizes the "Stencil" font, and contains the simple phrase, "BITE ME" in three-inch-tall letters -- just so I could streamline the process of responding to threatening lawyer letters. Whenever I get 'em, and as long as I know I'm in the right... as I know I am now, I just open my desk drawer and whip-out my trusty "BITE ME" stamp and a red ink pad, ink-it-up really good, and slap that puppy across the face of the letter, lickety-split. Then I crinkle it up a little -- maybe even spill little coffee on it and toss it into the trash can a couple of times... just... you know... to drive-home my disdain -- and then I just stuff it into an envelope, slap a stamp on it, and send it right back from whence it came.

Would you like to see my rubber "BITE ME" stamp, Jack? Just have your lawyer send me that threatening letter you propose and, trust me, you will.

I've forgotten more about defamation law, generally, than I dare say you'll ever even know, Jack. Hell... I've forgotten more than most lawyers even know, I reckon. And, believe me, Jack, not one posting here -- not even my big, red-lettered one -- crosses the libel line... at least not in U.S. law. And U.S. law is really all that matters in this case, isn't it, Jack? I mean, this forum's server is physically located in the U.S. -- as is its owner. The domain's registered in the U.S., to a U.S. entity. I'm in the U.S. You came here to do your bitching and moaning... we didn't go out and drag you here. Yep... I'd say there's no question about it: U.S. libel law is all that matters, here. And under that standard, you will not prevail. Trust me.

You see, Jack, we have a little thing over here in the U.S. called the "Constitution" and its "First Amendment." Ever heard of it? It was written by people who left your country a couple hundred years ago because it had (and still has) laws such as that to which you allude which effectively chill certain God-given human rights of free expression. Hell, what am I saying? You live in a country that thinks it's okay for the government to ban books, for godsake! So it should come as no surprise to me that you're misguided about what is and isn't libelous over here, in the United States.

Just try makin' your case in a U.S. court of law, Jack. I've reviewed every word in this thread... even words written before you stupidly came here and posted in it; and if you think I didn't carefully choose every single one of my words, herein, think again. I'm not fallin' on my sword for you or anyone. So, trust me, Jack... not one single word in this thread crosses the libel line under U.S. law. Not one. Granted, that may or may not be the case in the U.K., I dunno. But it certainly isn't the case here. And for our purposes here, Jack, that's all that matters.

Oh, you can go hire a lawyer if you want. But when s/he reviews this thread, here's what's gonna' happen: You're gonna' end-up writing him/her a big-assed check just so you can learn the hard way that your empty libel threat hasn't a legal leg on which to stand. Heck, you may even decide to go ahead and pony-up the dollars (or pounds, or whatever it is besides lint and keys that you've got in your pocket) to have him/her write me a nasty letter in the vain hope-against-hope that it will sober me up, slam-shut my sphincter, and make me beg for mercy...

...but I think we pretty much already know how that will actually come out.

So... then... there you'll be... and that will be that.


Continued in the next post...

 

Part 2 of 2

...continued from the previous post.


But I'll tell you what will happen at that point...

If I get any threatening emails or letters -- hell, if I so much as get a friendly "on vacation, wish you were here" post-card -- from any attorney who just happens to represent you, I will take my next step, and I will use every one of my considerable web design and Internet marketing skills (and, just ask around, I've got considerable web design and Internet marketing skills) to go ahead and take the jackthequack.com domain name that I've just registered and point it at a web site of my design that so devastates you, your company, and its dubious "accreditor" that neither you, nor they, will be able to get coffee in that Starbucks at 16 Lansdowne Row without children pointing at you and blurting out, "Mummy... isn't that Jack the Quack?"

But it gets worse.

In addition to the essential elements of U.S. defamation law, yet another thing about which I've forgotten more than I dare say you'll ever know is how to code a web page so that it gets the highest possible search engine rankings. I'll make it so that not only will the "Jack the Quack" web site expose you, your company and its "accreditor" for the frauds and quacks that you all are; but I'll make it so that whenever someone Googles your name, or your company's, or your accreditor's -- oh, what the hell... I'll make it so that whenever anyone merely Googles "holistic" -- the "Jack the Quack" web site which exposes you for the fraud you are will appear among the first five listings at the very top of the very first search results page... far ahead of your company's web site, or that of its dubious "accreditor."

And it will cost me next to nothing. At my wholesale cost, I can renew jackthequack.com for the next quarter of a century for under a hundred and seventy five bucks... chump change. I have a farm of high-end web servers in a secure cage in one of the fastest data centers on the planet; and I have a partially-populated rack of them in yet another. The disk space that the "Jack the Quack" web site will use-up on one of my servers won't even be noticeable; and the bandwidth it will use every month won't even cost me a nickel, based on what I pay for it. Once I pre-pay the domain for the next 25 years, create and mount the site, and then make sure every search engine on the planet sends its spiders to crawl it... once I've done that, then I needn't ever even look at, or touch it, again.

For that meager investment -- a one-time cost to me of under $200, plus maybe a nickel a month's worth of bandwidth, followed by not a single bit of my work, worry or attention thereafer -- I will be causing incalculable financial and reputational harm to you and your little company and its accreditor... even when I'm sleeping.

Forever.

If you've never been the object of a consumer-warning, quackery-exposing web site, then I invite you to go hunt down and chat with a few sorry souls who have. They'll tell you that you haven't even begun to imagine or anticipate all the ways that my little "Jack the Quack" web site will hurt you personally and professionally -- even twenty years from now. And your "accreditor" -- who's done nothing, really, to deserve any of this other than, perhaps, affiliating with you -- won't know what hit him. Neither will the holistic healing practitioners who he "accredits," and who don't even know about this little feud. It will all have a sort of cascading effect, won't it... with many people ending-up being indirectly harmed...

...just 'cause you're an idiot.

And there won't be one damned thing that you or anyone else can do about it. Not one. I invite you to read-up on U.S. libel law, my friend -- and closely examine the vast body of U.S. case law regarding protest, fair criticism, opinion, parody, and other forms of free-speech web sites (which don't cross the libel line, of course). I'd carefully craft my words, as I've done in this thread, so that the libel threshold is never even gotten close to, much less breached. Yet, because of the person you are; and the things you believe and espouse; and the quackery you teach and practice; and the ridiculous claims that you, your company, and its "accreditor" make while trying, in vain, to appear credible, I will be able to discredit you without even breaking a sweat... and with not so much as an ounce of fear, whatsoever, that you, your lawyer, or any court in this land could stop me.

Even if you and your lawyer try to get the "Jack the Quack" web site shut down by intimidating my web hosting provider with threats of including him in your lawsuit, it wouldn't work because web hosting is part of what I do for a living (a damned small part, mind you, but a part, nevertheless). Therefore, I am my hosting provider... and, trust me, you and your lawyer won't intimidate me one tiny bit.

The real meaning and consequences of American-style, truly free speech -- speech which still falls short of crossing the slander and/or libel line, mind you -- is often something of a jolt to people, like you, Jack, who live in other countries. That's just part of the reason why, for all this country's faults and problems; and despite all the shameful things it sometimes does when people like our current, good-for-nothing president are in charge; that's why, Jack, so many people from outside this country so desperately want in... and why immigration is such a big issue here. Truly free speech in the U.S. (which falls short of crossing the slander or libel threshold, of course) is a beautiful thing, Jack... and the envy of most everyone else in the world.

So go hire your lawyer, Jack. Go ahead and have him/her send me a threatening letter or email (but I'd prefer a letter so I can use my "BITE ME" stamp... it's very cathartic).

Or, better yet, how 'bout you just cut to the chase and have him/her file a lawsuit against me, right now, in the Superior Court of little ol' Napa county... where I know pretty much every lawyer in town, and all but two of that court's judges. I'm not kidding, Jack. Please. Do it. Don't wait 10 days. Don't wait five. Do it... right now. I wonder how many herbal potions you'd have to sell to fund a thing like that from across the pond! God, would I love for you to show me.

But just remember, Jack, that once you pull that trigger it will instantly re-prioritize my "to-do" list; and I will quickly develop the "Jack the Quack" web site and make it so interesting that it attracts visitors like a mythical siren; and I will put your name, that of your little holistic healing sham, and of its "accreditor," on the lips, with disdain, of every person in your industry, and of any customers that you ever dreamed might happen to accidentally stumble your way...

...forever.

So now it's like we're in a scene from an old Western, you and I, Jack. Let's see... how 'bout that scene from "The Sons of Katie Elder," starring John Wayne and... er... well, I can't remember who else. You know... the scene where the little brother is facing-off with the big, bad gun fighter in the saloon. You be the little brother, okay? And I'll be the big, bad gun fighter. I've just slid a loaded six-shooter down to your end of the bar, and I'm daring you to pick it up and take your best shot.

At this moment, Jack, as you're reading this, the domain name jackthequack.com points at a nondescript "Coming Soon" page which doesn't so much as mention you, your quack operation, or its quack "accreditor." Choose well your next move, and that domain will keep pointing at that nondescript "Coming Soon" page... and you and your little operation, and its "accreditor," will be allowed to fade into obscurity, where you all belong. A few students and/or customers will stumble your way, of course, and you may have a modicum of success, unfettered by any criticism from the likes of me... which, believe me, is way more than you deserve.

But if you pick-up that six-shooter off the bar, point it in my direction, cock its hammer, and pull its trigger, then you just watch how fast all of that will change. When my jackthequack.com web site is finished with you, you'll be the laughing stock of holistic healing. You'll get listed on quackwatch.com (which, actually, now that I think about it, may happen to you anyway... even without my help). And children will point at "Jack the Quack" whenever they see you strolling down London's Lansdowne Row, their mummies shushing them with admonitions that they not be rude, and to stop pointing at the neighborhood pariah.

Forever.

So... ball's in your court, there, Jack. I tried to warn you to just back away and go home. But you just had to step up and be a tough guy... makin' empty threats and pushin' good people too far.

Now, by your own doing, your personal reputation in the U.K. (and, I dare say, elsewhere, as well), your company's success, and even the success of your "accreditor" -- who's probably none too happy, right about now, that you've dragged him into this fray -- hangs in the balance.

So, what's your next play, Bub?

Let's all watch, shall we, how self-destructive testosterone can make a man. Discretion being the better part of valor, let's just see how discreet -- or not -- ol' Jack Cox is gonna' be now.

Your move, Sparky. Go ahead... go for the six-shooter on the bar.

I dare ya'

 

Uh, yeah...

 

spellking coumtz

Excoosw me, but "fowl" is a burd. I hink yuo meen "foul"

thenk yo,
G

 

HAHAHAHA

Frauds are the funniest people.

 

Re: Part 2 of 2

I don't think you're really serious because you didn't "double-dog dare" him.

Now, I'm more than a little curious to see whether we ever hear from him again.




Tom Nixon

 

Damn! You're right. In fact, I should have "double dawg" dared him.

Shoot!

I dunno... but daring him to like this might make it so he just can't control himself. Oh, what a surprise that would be.


By the way, everyone...

One thing I should have said in my previous, two-part post -- and I apologize to my fellow anti-Jack-Cox/anti-SNHS/anti-NCHM members here for not doing this:

• I should have worded it such that it was clear that I will build the "Jack the Quack" web site if anyone here -- including and especially Chip -- gets a threatening lawyer letter or email from counsel for Mr. Cox, et al. I will, in fact, do that if a single lawyer letter is sent to any of us.

Sorry, everyone... didn't mean to make it seem like it was every man for himself around here.

 

Posted: 3/22/2005

Has it been 10 days yet?