Shaheed Zulfikar Ali Bhutto Institute of Science and Technology?

Again, I'm not disputing that the fact that a lot of people of Asian origin work as engineers. I'm disputing your notion that "most" (i.e. the majority of) engineers in Canada are Asian. I get that you have some anecdotes observed from work however that's a really broad statement to make that borders on stereotyping.

I really have no time to start looking for articles that back up the obvious but my many years in engineering school and working experience tell them that this is the case.[/QUOTE]

No problem, let me help you out.

The University of Toronto signed on with a commitment to increase diverse in the engineering profession. Why would they do that if all of the engineers in Canada were Asian?

I found a handful of articles in Canada that also referenced Google's diversity report. Granted, Google has a 30% Asian staff. That's impressive in terms of diversity. But compare that to the 61% white number. That's google. That's a company that recruits top talent from around the world and doesn't even necessarily pay attention to degrees. And still, only 30%.

I didn't say it would "look odd." I suggested first that Indian engineers may be arriving to Canada and the U.S. in different circumstances than Pakistani engineers. I also suggested that Pakistani engineers, unlike their Indian, Chinese, Japanese and European counterparts, are almost certainly going to be assumed to be Muslim (and many more of them are likely to have Muslim names) and merely mused that the rise of anti-Islam sentiments may be playing into that. While Justin Trudeau did the right thing and the majority of Canadians put him into office there still exist racists in Canada and I'm sure at least a handful are in positions with hiring authority. In the U.S. we know that there are anti-Islamic types and, much to our chagrin, many of them own their own companies and hold high level government positions.

 

How's Liberty University even comparable in this discussion? Its a Christian school. But its cool as long as there is no Islamophobia...lol. Pakistan as a whole is a very corrupt nation and consistently produces less able Grads than India. I seriously doubt its a religion based discrimination they face as India is a very large and diverse nation. In classes I find that its a cultural thing to not like to be instructed, and I find my self spending more time explaining things in a certain ways as to not offend them. Lord forbid we have a female in a class.

 

Because Johann thought it whacky that a professor in Pakistan wanted to relate all science back to the Quran and was citing this as a thing that differentiated Pakistan. So I was pointing out that, in the good ol' US of A, there is a university where the science professors try to tie it all back to the bible.

When the largest religious group (somewhere north of 80%) in the United States begins facing discrimination in hiring I think we can work on assigning a phrase for that as well.

Pakistan indeed deals with corruption. So does India. As for producing less able graduates than India? Both nations have universities both public and private. I think it a bit odd to try to say that either nation is producing graduates of more or less ability.

India has fewer issues with infrastructure in many (but not all) areas. And significantly less sectarian violence. So it wouldn't be surprising that Indian universities may be better equipped and more free to teach, you know, science. But I can't imagine that you have a reliable source that attempted to quantify the ability of Pakistani versus Indian graduates.

Large? Yes. Diverse? Somewhat. There are still instances of Muslims being attacked in India. And there is a fair amount of sectarian tension, if not violence, between Christians and Hindus generally caused by the former trying to convert the latter.

I don't see how you could possibly observe that something is a "cultural thing" based upon in happening in a class you are teaching. There are Pakistanis who seem to really like school. Just read Malala Yousafzai's biography. There are also Pakistanis who don't want to learn. Just look at the guys who run off and join the Taliban in exchange for food. Neither can really be used to paint a picture of what a "typical" Pakistani feels about education.

As for females in class, depending upon where you teach, that's not really a reasonable accommodation to be made for a student's religious beliefs. So the student demanding such can either stay or leave.

One of my colleagues ran into an issue in teaching accounting. She had a student who arrived on the first day and refused to learn from a woman. Then he said he refused to learn from a woman unless she covered her hair. That isn't how religious accommodation works. So eventually he had to choose between sitting there and learning from a woman or dropping the class entirely. I don't know what he chose.

 

My apologies for being flippant and shirty with you -- I'm not your average polite Canadian, as you probably know. Just a snarky old git, but that's no excuse for what I wrote. I promise I'll never apply for a diplomatic position. And I'm also sorry about completely missing the Liberty link. I figured you were likely being sarcastic about "never happen here" and we both know it does happen. So I exhumed the old story about Texas. I guess no education system has a monopoly on delusional people - and that makes it wrong for me to single out Pakistan.

Funny thing about the reign of King Stephen. I'd never have suspected it - but here are the numbers to prove what was happening in refugee arrivals then. I was kind of surprised!

Canada's refugees by the numbers: the data - Canada - CBC News

And - Ta-DA. Here are the American numbers:

Refugee Admissions Statistics

Pretty good, as I see it, in gross numbers. Considering you already have nearly 10 times the population we do, it would likely be a hardship for the US to admit more than they do. At 34 million, we have more room than you do - so yeah, "We the North" should indeed step up to the plate.

J.

 

OK, I'll believe it if you say so. I think it's awful, that a person in the helping professions, regardless of his/her legitimate degrees (or lack thereof) can get away with this. I just can't tolerate the mindset involved in resorting to this kind of trickery. If not illegal, it should at least be contrary to the standards of the professional association - and the association should be very strict about its standards. I view this as a form of professional dishonesty - not something to be winked at and tolerated.

J.

 

Yes - a big demand. Also a slew of regulations, provincial and federal, including what type of schools your degree(s) can come from and be acceptable.

Summarized here: Alternative Medicine Examiners Council of Canada , AMECC

J.

 

That's because tha was born in the UK, Johann, nowt but grumpy and not back'ard at coming for'ard. But tha are a right middling anyway, allus!

 

There are many associations in AM, only few provinces have regulated AM. As it is not regulated yet in all provinces, it is not so difficult to practice and get insurance with a foreign degree. Many people follow this path as Canadian schools cost at least 30K for a 3 year program.

 

Foreign degree, fine. Foreign (or domestic) degree mill - no. From the Council's (many) regulations:

1. CAM practitioners must be educated at medical colleges that have been accredited by an agency recognized by the Alternative Medicine Examiners Council of Canada (AMECC) .; [email protected]

2. CAM practitioners must be examined by a national examining board (emphasis mine - J.) that sets high standards for eligibility and provides standardized test administration; board examinations must be developed in accordance with national testing standards. (I believe somewhere in the regulations it states that the Council runs the national examining board. -J.)

3. CAM practitioners must be licensed, required to take continuing education, and subject to peer review.

My take: If you come across a practitioner with one or more milled degrees, - I suggest you run if you are able, walk or crawl if you are not. And report his/her sorry ass to everyone you can think of. Then rent a megaphone and find a rooftop.

J.

 

Aye. An' tha can deal wi' 't. :smile:

J.