Schumer's speech

The disapproval of Netanyahu seems to be growing significantly in Israel as well as here in USA. I'm not sure how much longer Biden can continue to send offensive weapons to Israel?

The killing of the 6 or 7 workers from the World Central Kitchen has triggered more speculation that Netanyahu and his far right wing government did it on purpose to try to get the famine going stronger. I personally find that difficult to believe although I do believe that others in his government would welcome such a thing and are perhaps even hoping that Egypt opens up the flood gates and allows folks to leave Gaza and flee to Egypt. That would help give them the Arab-free Gaza that they desire.

 

As I said earlier, Israel is facing much greater danger from Iran, Hezbollah in Lebanon and other countries.
The goal to weaken Hams but to prepare the Army to defend a possible 250,000 rockets with many of high accuracy, devastating Israel, they can take out all the infrastructure and more.
Iran is closer to having nukes more than ever. For last 15 years Bibi made it central existential issue to focus on Iran Nuke program, it didn't go away, he is too busy with concept of fully destroying Hamas, and missing a more serious situation.
The leaders who allowed 7th Oct to happen, and the concept of small and "smart army" that reduced significantly the number of combat divisions, arms and supply production, mechanized divisions, and more, etc., are all guilty of the 7th Oct failure. The tunnels are not destroyed, Hamas movement, is underground, and they replenish their forces.
Israel’s ground forces and reserve system have been constantly ignored: They have lost the ability to field an effective army and have become a one-dimensional aerial power that cannot win a war on its own.
On Oct 7th Israel’s entire security apparatus has failed and relied too heavily on technology, with an unhealthy dash of arrogance. But as is typically the case, those who don’t go with the flow and call out the glaring problems are dismissed as lunatics.

 

I hope this isn't an attempt to argue somehow that because Israel faces much greater dangers from Iran it is okay to commit genocide against the people of Gaza? Assuming that is not the argument, I just don't understand what it is that you're arguing? Or perhaps you are just trying to share information and not trying to make any point?

 

Oh, that's the argument alright.

 

And I hope B.B. Netanyahu (the man who gives me the blues) pays a staggering price for his GFM.

 

There is no genocide against Gazan people, You follow Hamas provided #'s, US and other sources dispute the reports by Hamas healcare agency, about civilians deaths, majority out of 32,000 are combatants and males of combat age, children and women #s are much lower then reported. Also as mentioned earlier with all the difficulties the ratio of civilians deaths vs terrorists is the lowest by a lot in wars , if compared to war with ISIS or Russian Ukrain, Syria war and others
But what I posted earlier was actually calling to scale down the Gaza operation, that Hamas is capable to recruit new combatants, that in reality there are tunnels that allow them movement and as seen in Shifa hospital that was one of the Hamas headquarters, IDF had to return there and kill 300 terrorists and take 400 or more captive.
Hamas is weakened seriously and time to scale down, and keep going in on need base.
Get in multi national forces.
Refocuse on major threats facing Israel.

 

Netanyahu didn't pool the trigger. This was horrible accident in active combat zone.
Israel is fighting very difficult terrine and conning enemy. AI is used to mark targets by many algorithms, such as type of transportation used by terrorists, lic plate or other identifiers, transportation used in the past or comonly used and other unknown to me factors, such as Telecom channels used, etc.
Remeber IDF mistakenly killed Israeli hostages mistaking them for terrorists.
There is no deliberate targeting of aid workers.
I'm sure it was horrible accident in misidentification in live combat zone. It will be investigated, looks like all or most members of aid workers are former military veterans.l from UK and other countries.

 

Lerner, the articles that I've read indicates that Israel generally agrees with the approximate 32,000 deaths figure. Netanyahu just argues that 10,000 to 13,000 of them are Hamas. If you subtract this 10,000 to 13,000 figure from the 32,000 total then it comes pretty close to the estimate of women and children.

I've mentioned this before. I'll mention it again. It can be debated whether or not genocide has occurred in the past. When factoring in the apparent Israeli attempts to increase the famine by requiring miles long relief trucks being backed up at the border and refusal to open any additional entries it is becoming more and more difficult to argue that genocide is not the goal.

Or perhaps you're arguing that Israel could eliminate hundreds of thousands people in Gaza without it ever being considered genocide?

Israel is losing all credibility from countries that typically support it. This is all because Netanyahu is a horrible leader.

How Israel and Its Allies Lost Global Credibility
https://time.com/6963032/israel-netanyahu-allies-global-standing/

 

Lerner, you are just making up stuff. here's the facts.

Counting casualties in Israel’s war on Gaza
quote:
the IDF “believes the overall Gaza death toll claimed by Hamas is fairly accurate.”
https://abuaardvark.substack.com/p/counting-casualties-in-israels-war

The article also backs up my statement that the basic assumption in the death figures is that all men deaths are considered Hamas.

 

These. Children. Are. Dead.

 

Syrian children dead, starving for years, No protests.
Ukranian children dead, no protests.
Israel in multi front war, Protests.
No children or people should die, Israelis don't want any people die, but the war is forced upon them and in war people die.

 

Hamas casualty figures lays bare the terrorist group’s goal: to use lies and propaganda to turn the world against Israel.

At a press conference in the early days of the Israel–Hamas conflict, President Joe Biden was asked about casualty numbers coming out of Gaza. He said that he had “no confidence in the number that the Palestinians are using.” The next day, National Security Council spokesman John Kirby was asked the same question, and in turn indicated, “We all know that the Gazan Ministry of Health is just a front for Hamas. It’s a — it’s run by Hamas, a terrorist organization. I’ve said it myself up here: We can’t take anything coming out of Hamas, including the so-called Ministry of Health, at face value.”

 

Sorry Lerner but wishful thinking is not the best way to approach such facts. Here's some real current information. This is an invite to you to join reality on this point.

Gaza's death toll now exceeds 30,000. Here's why it's an incomplete count
https://www.npr.org/2024/02/29/1234159514/gaza-death-toll-30000-palestinians-israel-hamas-war#:~:text=Hourly%20News-,Gaza%20death%20toll%20surpasses%2030%2C000%20but%20it's%20an%20incomplete%20count,under%20the%20weight%20of%20war.
Media Bias Fact Check rates this source reliability rating as HIGH. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/npr/
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Here's a source from a right-wing Israel leaning institute in Washington. The main point is that they argue that men deaths are a larger percentage than reported. Which very well could be true. Notably the article does NOT argue the count is likely overall incorrect.
Gaza Fatality Data Has Become Completely Unreliable
quote:
It makes no claims about the true death toll in Gaza or the civilian-combatant ratio, nor is it meant to distract from the very real and widespread loss of life in Gaza and the severe humanitarian crisis that its population continues to suffer.
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fatality-data-has-become-completely-unreliable

Media Bias Fact Check gives this source just a mixed rating. As a good example, the article title is over the top especially after reading the article. https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/washington-institute-for-near-east-policy/

 

Bill, do a better research, you are mistaken.

The numbers are calculated using a combination of hospital data and public sources

Hospitals in Gaza ran by Hamas Terrorists.

Israel has relatively accurate count of how many terrorists and terrorists in training they killed, and arrested etc.
It contradicts the reports of Hamas health ministry that President Biden administration deemed as unreliable.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/26/can-we-trust-casualty-figures-from-the-hamas-run-gaza-health-ministry
Can we trust casualty figures from the Hamas-run Gaza health ministry?

https://apnews.com/video/new-york-city-earthquakes-united-nations-security-council-kathy-hochul-national-914e91679d7e4644b4f0b66cd9bda6ea

A sign from above?
Is UN lying about the situation?

An earthquake shook the New York City metropolitan area Friday morning, the U.S. Geological Survey said.
At U.N. headquarters, the shaking interrupted the chief executive of Save The Children as she briefed an emergency Security Council session.

I support the ending of the war once Hamas lay down weapons and releases the hostages.
Israel opened 2 major ports to seriously increase the supply of aid to Gaza. Ashdod is one such major port.
The pressure on Israel strengthen Iran and Hamas, and Hamas has no reason to release hostages, as UN and others mount pressure on Israel.

Bill,

The numbers are calculated using a combination of hospital data and public sources

Hospitals in Gaza ran by Hamas Terrorists.

 

https://www.timesofisrael.com/israeli-official-mediators-putting-no-pressure-on-hamas-sinwar-doesnt-want-deal/

Mediators putting ‘no pressure’ on Hamas, Sinwar doesn’t want deal
Senior official denies Israel has received terror group’s response to its latest ceasefire-for-hostages proposal, following report that Hamas turned it down

he mediators of hostage negotiations between Israel and Hamas are failing to exert any pressure on the terror group, a senior Israeli official told The Times of Israel on Friday.

Hamas leader in Gaza Yahya “Sinwar is dragging his feet and does not want a deal, despite Israel’s tremendous flexibility,” the senior Israeli official claimed.

“No pressure [on Hamas] is being jointly applied by the Qatar-led mediators. Qatar has refrained from deporting the Hamas leaders it hosts, nor has it closed their bank accounts, which hold hundreds of millions of dollars used for terrorism,” the senior Israeli official asserted.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/after-tense-phone-call-with-netanyahu-biden-says-israel-is-doing-what-he-asked-for/?utm_source=article_hpsidebar&utm_medium=desktop_site&utm_campaign=israeli-official-mediators-putting-no-pressure-on-hamas-sinwar-doesnt-want-deal

After tense phone call with Netanyahu, Biden says Israel is doing what he asked for
President reportedly told PM: ‘We won’t be able to support you’ if no change of course on Gaza; US not planning probe into killing of aid workers; Sullivan to meet hostages’ families

 

That is really a silly post! That article is over 5 months old! It was a reasonable article for one that old but is plain wrong to push as supporting your incorrect position for current reality.

Read the second article that I linked. It was written by a pro-Israel organization. They have no problems with the overall death count. They only complained about the apparently low percentage of men in the overall death count.

 

Hamas 6 months ago was still farther from the elections and the protests of Jihad supporters in the West.
Now that fallout and States like Michigan put pressure due to elections, suddenly Hamas Health Ministry #'s are more accurate?

I argued similar to this - They only complained about the apparently low percentage of men in the overall death count.

Hamas inflates the #'s of children and women vs combatants and man of combat age,

I wish the war ends soon, and we need no argue, tens of thousands of displaced civilians in North and South Israel, families in Israel return home, hostages who still alive and those who no longer alive all home. And new moderate Palestinian leadership.

 

Since all you seem able to do is to continue to try to change the subject, the obvious conclusion is that you apparently can't find any sources to support your beliefs. The scientific method would be to question your beliefs but, I guess that is not in your DNA?

 

Where is the Scientific Method in human DNA, Bill? Which gene? Which marker?

I refuse to question any beliefs I hold. They are my inviolable principles.
I don't think that's in my DNA. I learned it in the University of Hard Knox.