PCDI/Ashworth College - MHC Degree

"In the MBA arena this may be a little deferent but I would go for MBA that is RA + ACBSC"


ACBSC or AACSB?

 

And, boy, are they ever good ones. They are exactly that about which anyone who's considering Ashworth, or the similarly-priced and also nationally-accredited Andrew Jackson University, or any of the other schools in that league, worries. You've articulated the fears of the masses, Texascot.

Janko's advice is dead-on. If you can afford the better-known, more prestigious school, go there. Spend the extra money so you can sleep better at night.

That said, I also think that you, the job applicant and/or promotion candidate, can do alot to control the initial reaction to your alma mater that your boss or potential employer will have whenever s/he sees it listed on paper. One thing you can do is simply never list your degrees (on paper, or even in an email) without including, in small type beneath each one, its pedigree.

In a thread which discussed a subject completely unrelated to the one we're discussing here, I posted an example of the way that I think everyone should be listing their degrees on resumes and other documents, using that technique, so that all doubt will be eliminated. To see that post, click here.

But even that technique would be of no value in situations where only a regionally-accredited MBA would do. That's really the decision you must make: Are you willing to get a nationally-accredited degree and have the experience -- not often, but at least every now and then -- when your perfectly accredited (although nationally, and not regionally accredited) MBA is treated by an employer almost as though it were from a diploma mill (not because it is, but because of his/her ignorance) just because it's not from a regionally-accredited institution? That's really the first -- and when it comes right down to it, pretty much the only -- thing you need to decide. Making sure your MBA is at least regionally-accredited will eliminate pretty much all problems. That said, most people with nationally-accredited MBAs end-up having no problems, either. So I guess it just depends on how safe you want to feel.

Hmm. That's odd. I didn't know that IUFS degrees had any accreditation.

He means the latter... er... well... I don't actually know when (or if) he knows what he means; but I'm pretty sure, in this case, he meant AACSB. And also "different" rather than "deferent"... for seemingly the 593rd time.

And, having waded through all that, I disagree with him. RA's enough nearly always. Even NA is okay most of the time. An AACSB-accredited MBA is by no stretch of the imagination a minimum requirement (or even preferable) in most situations. If one is really worried about credibility, then one should just make sure the MBA is regionally-accredited. Granted, an AACSB-accredited MBA has its place; and in situations where it actually matters, then, yes, of course, one's MBA should be AACSB-accredited. But if one really looks at the situations where it would actually matter, one would see that it actually doesn't most of the time. Regional accreditation, on the other hand... that could matter.

Oops! Well, I wish I'd read that before I bothered! I guess you really meant that "questions I am asking myself" thing. Sorry. Didn't mean to interrupt.

 

Hmm. That's odd. I didn't know that IUFS degrees had any accreditation.

He means the latter... er... well... I don't actually know when (or if) he knows what he means; but I'm pretty sure, in this case, he meant AACSB. And also "different" rather than "deferent"... for seemingly the 593rd time.

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Would you please show were I recomended their degrees?

And I did stated maybe in the MBA arena its different.

But in most other fields RA+PA has the best recognition, opens more doors etc.

Why is there separate accreditation of MBA programs if its useless?


Learner

 

Texascot....

I have been struggling as you are, about deciding where to get an MBA. With the help of DesElms my choice has been made. I decided on a RA MBA from a small school in Maine that is not AACSB accredited.....(did I get that AACSB stuff right?)

I will explain my thought process.

RA vs. NA?

NA is less expensive, but I have an NA undergrad degree and thus to eliminate any doubt on my capabilities, I am capping my education with a RA degree. So I guess in sum, I've got something to prove.

MBA or MS in something?

The MBA seems to be the dollar generating degree; additionally, it is also one of the most recognized and respected both in government work (my area) and in the private sector. Though I would like to first pursue an MSCJ, an MBA will get me farther, faster.

AACSB School or non AACSB?

Let's face it, I'm not made of money and an AACSB school is a little out of my range. HOWEVER, I probably will never be the CEO of a fortune 500 company and am quite content with that. If I do get to be City Manager, Executive Law Enforcement or some such other "prestigious" position, it will be through hard work, intelligence, bettering the people who work with me, the grace of God, and grit. Education is a tool, it doesn't MAKE someone successful. So if you look at education as a tool ask yourself, will you get a likely return on your investment if you pay $50,000 for a AACSB school or $14,000 for a non.

What is a degree for?

Two things really. The first (which most people almost completely overlook) is an education. Which school will TEACH you the things you need to succeed? For me it is leadership skills. I feel that I am called to be a leader and wish to become the best one I can be. For others it may be accounting, perhaps you have a knack for accounting, so what is the best school that you can afford that will teach you everything you feel you should know about accounting. Sometimes it may even be a NA school...such as Taft U....so don't be blind to the first reason to have a degree because of the focus on the second reason which is......................

Money....that's right, when you get right down to the nuts and bolts, higher education is about money. Sure there are the starving scholars who love to learn for the sake of learning itself, (I'm a wannabe one myself) however most of us will eventually graduate and take a piece of paper with our names on them and use it as a tool to make more money...via promotion, new job, etc.

However a degree itself will not make you money, you will. So what will a degree get you?

An interview...usually that is about it. A degree will get your foot in the door and buy you about 20 minutes to an hour of someone’s time who is in a position to hire you. Being on an interview board myself, I can tell you that in my particular field, an education will get you in the door, but we spend all of 30 seconds or so talking about it. Instead it's usually about:

1.) The way you dress and present yourself in a professional setting.... (rarely and usually only when someone is particularly sharply dressed or looks like crap.)

2.) How you speak and sell yourself....60% probably.

3.) How you answered our questions....probably 40%.

And always in the back of my mind first and foremost is attitude. If you have a winning attitude and a sharp mind, I can train you where you need to be trained...because attitude is very difficult to change on people if ever. I would hire an Ashworth College grad with a positive attitude about what he can contribute to my organization rather than a Harvard grad with a "give it to me because I'm from Harvard" attitude.


So keep things in perspective.

 

Friendorfoe, you have obviously already gone through a somewhat lengthy process of considering prioritization and utilization when choosing your MBA school, as I am still going through that right now - and St Joseph's does seem rather appealing! I've checked out their website and the Leadership MBA is one I feel that I must consider seriously. I asked them to send me some information. Although I initially didn't want any classroom time, 2 weeks at that campus wouldn't be the end of the world now, would it?!

I'd appreciate it if you could let me (and others) know how you narrowed your search down and what other schools made it to your shortlist before you diecided to ultimately go to St Joseph's - my apologies if you've already posted this elsewhere.

 

Texascot....

No problem...the other school I looked at seriously was Northcentral University. NCU has a very flexible MBA program with an emphasis in everything from Homeland Security to Organizational Leadership and if you mix and match your electives or emphasis courses, you can get a "general" MBA while taking classes in everything from Executive Protection to Accounting. Although NCU is more flexible, they are also more expensive. However, I qualified for a Law Enforcement scholarship at NCU which put St. Josephs and NCU on the same bottom line.

I did look at NA schools, but I decided that the extra $5000 to $7000 for a RA was worth it since my undergrads are NA. As I stated before I want bullet proof credentials.

As for deciding between NCU and St. Joe's? Well, that was a personal thing. I feel that leaders are called to be leaders and it is something that generally cannot be canned and taught. All St. Joe's does is polish up and equip an already natural leader. Since I feel that I have been called to be a leader in whatever it is I am involved in doing....and I already am working in a leadership role, then I would receive greater benefit from St. Joes than from NCU.

Besides I also think that Enron is not the last corporate scandal we as a nation will face and a call for ethical leadership will be made and rightfully so.

Additionally, every organization needs leadership, but not every organization needs a manager, accountant, HR person etc.

I think St. Joes just fits me to a “T”. Beware however; St. Joe’s MBA curriculum is so unique, that if you do not finish your MBA there, you may have trouble transferring some of those credits. That unique curriculum though, is also why I chose them.


BTW...DesElms was the one responsible for pointing St. Joe's out to me. He may be able to add somthing to this conversation.

 

enough already!!!

is this what education does to people? Does it turn them into pompus jerks?....think about it,your supposed to be using your vast knowlege to help us newby's, get a grip..........

 

Yes! Avoid it at all costs!

Enough? This thread's been dead and dropping down the list of threads into forgottendom for several days. It's you who has now revived it. In the future, pay attention to the posting dates. Timing is everything.

So, then... based on your spelling, punctuation, capitalization and grammar, shall we assume you're here looking for an accredited distance learning high school, newbie? Would you like the help of my vast knowledge regarding that?

 

MY SPELLING?

go pound sand...yes I'm trying to obtain a BA/BS degree but I won't spend anymore time on this forum..late

 

Re: MY SPELLING?

Oh, that's mature. So, then, I was right about the high school thing, sonny?

My question was are you looking for a high school. Your response is "yes I'm trying to obtain a BA/BS degree." Shouldn't that have been "No, I'm trying to obtain a BA/BS degree"? Just checking.

Did you mean "later?

And as for your not spending any more time here: If you mean this thread, good! Now maybe it can drop out of sight like it was about to be before you insensibly revived it. If you mean that you won't be hanging around DegreeInfo because of this, maybe you should think about how you came into this thread with your finger wagging in admonition in only your fifth post here ever, newbie. If you walked-up to a group of strangers standing around talking -- even if they were behaving in a way of which you disapproved -- and you started telling them how they should be behaving using language like "Enough already," do you really think any of them would just let that go without a retort? You got in my face, and I didn't cower. So then the wittiest thing you could think of with which to retort was "pound sand."

Oooh. Ouch.

I think it's you who needs to get a clue, Sparky.

That said, I hope you don't go away altogether. If you came here to get some information about distance learning BA/BS programs, I strongly suggest that you stay here and get it. There's no better place on the web to do so. I, for one, would be only too happy to tell you whatever I know or point you in the right direction or whatever it is you need. Just don't expect not to be taken to task for your bad manners if and when you exhibit them.

 

correcting bad English is NOT saying "yo mama"

Yes, young fellow, your spelling. Why does it strike you as strange that deficiencies in your use of the English language attract attention and detract from your persuasiveness? This is a board about distance education.

If your English isn't good, improve it. Some of your mistakes are not mere typos, but show that your grasp of grammar is weak. It is to your everlasting benefit to improve yourself in these areas. If you are going to use distance education, you must take responsibility for these things yourself.

It is easy, but pointless, to resent correction to your speech--and your manners. It is easy to tell someone far wiser and better educated than yourself to go pound sand (whatever that may mean). It is not easy to admit publicly that you were wrong. I don't expect you to do so; I am no starry-eyed western European optimist. I do hope that you will take the corrections to your use of English to heart--privately--and diligently work to improve.

Best wishes from your Carpathian uncle,

Janko Preotul

 

Re: correcting bad English is NOT saying "yo mama"

I believe you'll find it to be shorthand for the ever-popular-among-the-witty-retort-challenged, "Oh, go pound sand up your ass!"... which always conjures-up a pleasant mental image, to be sure.

Ha! Stop makin' me laugh out loud, dammit! Other people in the room, as I read your words, keep asking me, "What's so funny?" Imagine trying to describe to them, in any kind of meaningful context, the wry and often rife-with-multiple-meanings humor of the inimitable Janko. No small task, I assure you.





One thing I forgot to add to my previous post, ran60 -- though I know you're loathe to hear it from me -- was, Welcome to DegreeInfo! May your future exchanges here -- especially those with me, if there ever happen to be any more of them -- be somewhat more pleasant and less confrontational than the one here has been... and by that I mean, on both our parts. It takes two to tango, after all. I really and truly do hope you're able to find here whatever distance learning BA/BS (or whatever other) program information you seek; and I hope you won't ever hesitate to ask me if you think I can help. I mean... as long as I'm not being told to pound sand up my ass, I'm usually a pretty easy-to-get-along-with sort of fellow. I won't hold my breath, of course, for you to ask me for anything... but I'm just sayin'.

(Whew! Sure would be nice if this thread would just die now.)

 

ok, I was out of line

To all,

I admit that I stepped in where I didn't belong and got defensive when you replied but, there is to much belittling and, one uping on each other going on in here which was my main point.

Also I know I need to work on my writing skills and I'm no youngster,I'm in my mid 40'tys.

In closing I'm just looking for professional guidance from those of you that have achieved what I haven't,in a respectful manner.

thank-you

 

Re: MY SPELLING?

Say, newbie, in what field would you like your BA/BS?

 

Re: enough already!!!

sometimes

 

my major

Ted,

I'm planning to major in Bus. Adm.,or Information Technology.I haven't decided yet which one will be the best fit for me.

 

Re: my major

An old thread on bachelor's degrees in bysiness:

http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20645

And an old thread on bachelor's degrees in IT:

http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19454

 

Ted,

Thanks for the info.

I've already decided on a school,Im enrolled in National U. and, I,m 90% sure I'll major in business, but I.T. is still in the back of my mind.

Which field do you, or any of the other members feel will be more flexible and, open doors?

I feel that I.T. is overcrowded on loosing ground to outsourcing....?

Also Ted, whether you intended it,or not, you gave me some clarity into how this web site works

thanks again........

 

Hi Ran60:
Here are two books which are very helpful for sprucing up writing skills--
Fernald's "English Grammar Simplified"
and
Walsh's "Lapsing into a Comma" [funny, too].
Best wishes to you in finding a DL programme,
Janko

 

Hi Janko,

dose how a person writes in an online forum(chat room) really disturb you that much or is something else wrong here?

i've already stated that i'm aware of my lack of proper writing skills and i will correct this.

but does one really need to use proper grammer just to post here.

please don't bring my writing up again because i really do enjoy this forum and respect the advice the members offer but i don't want to fear posting because someone might pick apart my writing.

this my have just been your way of helping but really i don't need it i do have my own eng. help books and i will be taking refresher eng. courses in college..........don't make this forum more difficult then it needs to be.

best wishes