Oceania University of Medicine

bye - bye - pancho

Well, Juan is now ready to go off to clinicals. He has to say goodbye to his donkey - (PANCHO).

Now, Juan is now a full time student at a (regional-H) oh, it's a CLASS III by the way with all of the services.

Juan goes on to complete his clinicals as follows:

Each Attending and Chief are his mentors and they compose 60% of his grade; the other 40% of his grade comes from online testing.

Mind you, we are talking about only tests are now online and only for 40% of the final grade. Everything else, juan has to be in the hospitals, period.

(a) Juan graduates.
(b) Becomes ECFMG certifed
(c) Sits for USMLE STEP 1 (passes)
(d) Sits for USMLE STEP 2 (passes)
(e) Applies for "the match" / NRMP
(f) doesn't make it in the match
(g) But Juan does make it in the scramble.
(h) Completes PGY1
(i) Takes and passes C.S.A. "aka" USMLE STEP 3 in Philly.
(j) Completes PGY2
(k) Completes PGY3

Average marks, no recording breaking or setting done by Dr. Juan Valdez, but none the less he is proficient and has complied.

At the end of PGY3 he applies for a license to practice medicine in the state of "XXXXXXXXXXXXX"

The State Medical Board goes down the list:

(1) 6 YEARS OF MEDICAL SCHOOL
(2) Passed the USMLE's 1, 2 and 3
(3) Completed Residency Training (3) years.

Oh but wait..........Juan Valdez did not sit in a classroom to take chemistry or biology or biochemistry.......

JUAN , YOU ARE DENIED YOUR LICENSE.

What is wrong with the above????

 

Re: bye - bye - pancho

My opinion, barring new, cogent, rebutting information of which I'm not currently aware, is that as long as Juan did all his lab work by legitimate methods for all those DL courses, then I'd say his being denied his license, given your set of facts as you've presented them, is an injustice. But I'm worried that I don't know enough about why DL might be a bad idea for a medical education under almost any circumstances (and I'm not saying it is, by the way; I'm just saying that if it is, I just don't know all the arguments supporting that notion and why I maybe should have more respect for them). My gut reaction is that Juan should be licensed... but I'm not sufficiently expert to really say. If I had a gun to my head, I'd say he should be licensed.

 

Thank you!

Gregg, then we are in the same boat!

There is no evidence. No scientific studies done to date.

 

The name of the school brings to mind images of New Utopia.

 

Re: Thank you!

As boatmates go, I could do worse.

Which, if you think about it, is sorta' what you've been saying all along, and what I think you meant way back when you replied, "Impossible to foretell."

My, we certainly got back home by a circuitous route, did we not?

Yes, it does, doesn't it... or something from the world of Atlantis. It would be better -- or at least more credible sounding, I think -- if it had a more traditional name that conjures-up more ivy-league-like images. But, alas...

 

Re: Re: Thank you!

I'm glad to have you as a mate, Gregg.

oh and by the way, remember my vote for your election as moder..............


Ha ha!

Be well !

 

Re: Re: Re: Thank you!

Damn! Now to appear as though I'm not showing favorites, I have to ban you.

[pause... while it sinks in]

Kidding!

 

Re: Re: Re: Thank you!

I'm on your team as well because like you I see no research to prove DL works or doesn't work for medical school education but somehow I don't think having it test driven in countries that lack govt. oversight like we have in the LCME in the US is the best way. Medicine and science requires research but something like patient care isn't usually experimentally tested as is being done by the internet schools. Luckily states boards (I can think of at least 10-20) will probably stand in the way of these grads until there is enough proof to show it can be done. Specific language in Alabama,Indiana,PA, Texas,California,NY and other states will prevent licensing.

 

another problema

Dean,

Great, thanks for the thoughts.

Here is my opinion on the stateside experiments:

It appears (too me at least) that most of the B&M schools that have gone into DL have created a separate divison to handle DL.

In other words, DL, while "great" for the majority of posters on D.I. , may not enjoy the same level of prestige that the

"HARDLINERS" @ B&M schools profess.

What does this have to do with Medicine?

Well, I would assume that the U.S.A. regulators are administrated by "old guard" educators; this being the case, change has come from outside.