No Way to Prevent It

How can it be done? And what is it?

 

That doesn't make sense. Turning a discussion about crime prevention into an indictment of any race then raising the possibility of "banning" that race should make the person doing so sound bad whether the race so targeted is a minority or the majority, either way.

Yes, you didn't concretely propose banning a race, you just raised the possibility. Also, you didn't name any race. Not sure how much that helps.

 

You think this is a discussion about crime prevention? Interesting.

How much it helps? It helps to reveal how you think, that's how much it helps. And my ambiguity was on purpose. Not saying a race to "ban" was on purpose. It worked.

You think RD wants to just discuss crime? Homicides? Is that what you wish to discuss?

 

I don't particularly want to discuss anything. I just think it's insane for the world's leading democracy and economy has such a bizarre condition of murdering so many of its citizens with guns: U.S. Has More Guns – And Gun Deaths – Than Any Other Country, Study Finds - ABC News

I didn't talk about what to do about it. I just offered an assessment that it is incredibly stupid. So is defending it: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isla-vista-rampage/joe-plumber-pens-harsh-open-letter-isla-vista-relatives-n115561

(Shout out to McCain/Palin for bringing us this poser. Not.)

 

Now there's a "plain-spoken everyman suddenly cast into the spotlight on a public issue" for the ages.

Sorry Joe the Plumber, you got schooled.

 

Oh, it's funny, Steve.

But I'm purposely not talking about politics. I'm talking about sheer carnage compared to every other modern nation on Earth. Amazingly (to me, anyway), it was even defended by someone in this thread.

 

It's always political. Being smarmy and trying to pretend you're "above it all" is disingenuous. Carnage? Are we talking about carnage right now? You'll need to define carnage in your context for me if you're really interested in a discussion (which I don't buy for a minute). And since it started about guns, moved to homicides, then on to some facetious concern about our countries rank compared to somewhere else, and finally onto "carnage" . Why don't you nail down what it is exactly that you are after with this discussion?

1. Guns
2. Homicides
3. USA Rankings on "some" things compared to other countries.
4. Carnage

Cory

 

You refuse to accept that your fellow poster is interested in discussion unless he answers your writing cues? Who died… oh, yeah, thousands of Americans, in gun violence. But no one died to make you moderator of the discussion.

 

Why is there such a presumption that somehow US is the epicenter of gun violence? No amount of statistics can prove it, no matter how it is twisted around.
Intentional homicide is committed daily and in much higher rate in countries where all firearms are banned.
There are countries where possession is major offense, yet they are way above US's murder rate.

The Wiki list of gun murders was referenced earlier. How about the list of just murder? There is a list for that just as well, and the US's rates are half of the mean, and even below the median.

So why do people think that the US is this gun toting murderous nation? Where is this really coming from, because facts do not support it.

Is it because there is a political agenda?
Is it because the murders are closer to home, i.e. in large cities?

What is it?

There is a very important reason that gun ownership was written into the US Constitution. It has nothing to do with hunting, or even just individualistic home defense.
What was a primary sign of a nobility during the middle ages in England? Why were the peasants not permitted to do the same?
What was the first thing the brown shirts do in Germany?
What was destroyed in large pyres in East Berlin?
What did the Cuban government do after their revolution was won?
How about just recently in Venezuela; what was collected just early on in Chávez's presidency?

So...

 

Out of all countries on earth. Among highly industrialized countries that can readily afford the best policing, etc., the U.S. has a high total homicide rate.

 

The U.S. has gun homicides at a rate far beyond all other modern nations. I guess this is okay, but every other one of those nations has figured it out.

 

Which stats are you looking at?

 

Also, the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world, and the dubious distinction of having the highest number of incarcerated people -more than any other nation.

List of countries by incarceration rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'm told the US has more people in jail than China, with its 1.3 billion population.

I don't live in the US, though I've been there a very few times - and not very many places, so I don't know what that's supposed to tell me.

What does it tell people here? Anything?

Johann

 

I don't think it has the worst rate, Rich.

Here's an old chart that shows the US as fourth, by rate: Countries Compared by Crime > Murders with firearms. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

Here's a newer one. Again, the US is not at the top in gun homicides per 100,000. What it IS first in, by a landslide, is gun ownership! Holy Moly! So many!

Gun homicides and gun ownership listed by country | News | theguardian.com

Johann

 

The prison rape thing is amazing, especially telling when prison rapes account for more rapes every year than civilian rapes. But, goes the thinking of many people, whatever they're in prison for they must deserve to be raped. Weird how people can think like that, especially if we understand that many people are in prison for our war "on some" drugs.

I don't see it getting any better.