Guns for Texas school's teachers

Not to put too fine a point on things. But if a teacher were ever to actually draw a weapon in this type of situation "reading" the active shooter would consist of locating, taking aim and firing. There isn't any of the Hollywood "freeze" and then negotiation by point guns at each other.

As for kevlar, most security guards and off duty cops don't wear it, but I bet you'd expect them to run to the source of the shooter, eh?

 

LOL, everyone waiting on the cops to show up.


If a teacher wanted to go through the training and wanted to pack heat then why not? If I was a public school teacher and was offfered to opportunity for CCW I would take them up on the offer. What would really piss me off is if I knew I was going to die because society disarmed me before I even had a chance to defend myself.

Yep, soory Bud, it's just target acquisition on body mass, and cooking off three rounds, it’s mechanical.

Utopian ideals are nice but hugs and social kisses dont save lives

 

It sounds easy enough. To paraphrase your words: "It's just target acquisition on body mass, and cooking off three rounds, it's mechanical".

But can a civilian volunteer really equal a highly trained cop or soldier when it comes to combat training? Target practice in a static setting does not equal a fluid, ever changing situation. A moving target is a much different situation.

Combat training is combat training. Whether hand to hand, or weapons. Years of practice, visualization, and realism drills create the ability to react without thinking. The idea being that if you have to stop and think, it is too late. I am not trying to be argumentative, but merely knowing how to shoot does not guarantee someone will not freeze up.

A full time teacher who might go the firing range every now and then just doesn't cut it. Who knows, maybe the school requires the same training and testing required to keep a gun license as a cop. I would hope so.

But I digress. In closing, I think teachers should be teachers, and cops should be cops.

Also, I didn't see Friendorfoe mention anything about hugs and kisses. I don't think he wears berkenstocks either. If I am not mistaken, he is a cop.


Abner

 

No offense meant, but schools should not become prison environments in which the inmates (students) are monitored by guards (police). Bring back discipline (detention, the strap, and proper classroom management) and respect (self-respect and respect for others) in the classroom and perhaps some of the maladjusted students would be given a reality check. If that fails, send the student for a weekend at the local prison. Forty-eight hours ought to be enough to scare most people onto the straight-and-narrow path; the others are destined for prison anyways.

 

Another consideration (from the original article) is that the small community in question is over 30 minutes away from the nearest police station. There are no cops usually close enough to be able to respond adequately, if something bad were to go down (like Columbine).

Bruce mentioned the fact that no one knew when he was carrying concealed. The same is true in my experience. I have carried through department stores, restaurants and even church without anyone knowing that I had my .45 on me.

The fact is that no teacher here will be just deciding to bring his deer rifle to school and hanging it on the wall. They must be licensed and trained before they are allowed to carry in the classroom. In fact, not only do they have to pass all state mandated training/certification, they must also be approved by their school board.

I am not saying everyone has to like it, but we shouldn't think that we are creating an open season on students in Texas, either.

just my thoughts on it.

clint

 

You bring up some good points. All angles should be considered.


Abner

 

As for the "cooking off three 3 rounds" and being "mechanical" it's not. In fact it's not easy to hit a target that moves and shoots back period. It takes a certain kind of person to be able to take on that kind of responsibility and I freely admit it's not for everyone. Truthfully I had to do some serious soul searching to determine if I could ever truly shoot another human being knowing what it does to them. The lesser of two evils approach didn't work for me on an emotional level and it was only after watching surveillance tapes in training of the callousness and coldness of shooters murdering helpless victims did I come to fully understand the necessity of the psychology of fighting back. And the guns do not necessarily make any difference as they are inanimate objects neither capable of harm or good in of themselves without the willful action on the part of a human being.

Case in point. A Dallas police officer who shall go unnamed told a professional acquaintance of mine during academy that he's not sure he could ever shoot another person. He never resolved this personal dilemma and several years after academy turned up to a shooting in progress. He never fired back but instead attempted to negotiate with the shooter. He agreed to give the shooter his own gun in order to placate him and according to witnesses he begged for his live before being shot down in cold blood. A gun, badge and all the training the department had given him did not save his life. He didn't have the survival mindset, combat psychological makeup, whatever you want to call it to do what was necessary to save himself and the other victims in that situation.

And for those who think cops get lots of gun training? I qualify with my weapon once every 6 months consisting of 55 rounds at various distances. That is all the "training" we get after academy and shooting is definitely a use it or lose it skill. I have to practice on my own if I wish to maintain proficiency, just like anyone else does.

Also for those wondering, violent crime in Texas has in fact dropped after the concealed handgun law took effect. I don't think that this is because it is a deterrent but more of a career criminal kind of thing. See for every career criminal that gets shot that's "x" amount of robberies, assaults, etc. that are prevented in the future. Call me nuts but I believe the lion's share of crime is caused by a fraction of the population.