Genoble Graduate School of Business

Granted, but that was not the inference made. The deduction is that Sac. State (or similar) is "not so fine" and part of "the problem" [of accreditation - AACSB]. I disagree. I don't know of every AACSB school, so I may be wrong (that is why I asked for evidence to support his conclusion). To date, I am aware of only "fine" institutions accredited by AASCB.

And a second point. I give the queen much less credit than Scott apparently does - and I have met her. Well, not really, but she did wave at me while passing by in London a few years back !

 

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École supérieure de commerce roughly means "Higher school of trade" in English.

Ike Okonkwo, PhD

 

The school name in french is "grenoble ecole de management".

 

I think both are "fine" - I see what you are looking for now, and will wait to see what the response is too.

 

In the US there are quite a few degree graqnting institutions that are not "Universities" such as Rand, Naval Post Graduate School, and California Institute of Technology.

 

This isn't telling me anything.
The only thing I can deduce from using your rationale is that the Canadian system also has problems because some of its universities are amongst the best and some are "not so fine". Or are they all ranked the same?


And my question to you again, which are the AACSB schools that you have a problem with?

-S

 

Yes, I am aware of that fact,
I guess you two misunderstood me - I´m just talking about Europe saying that here, anything "unknown" without the word "university" will raise an eyebrowe - simply for the reason that 95 % of all legitimate universities in the EU need to "wear" the word "university" in its name (since the vast majority of these schools are state schools).
That´s all.
Besides, I never questioned that the schools kristie named are not first class. I just said that people in Europe would likely not know them without doing research (furthermore, a "College" is usually considered as something BELOW a university in Europe).
The same at my university,
from where I certainly do not "run" (as kristie said), since it´s a very respected state university having the no. 2 position in its country and being extremely good in research and publications (and also having lecturers from top-US schools; that´s not a big point here anymore...).
All in all, I just wanted to warn you that you MIGHT get into explanation situations with your school name, at least in Europe, were the term "ESC" is certainly NOT too far spread and known in Academia (out of France), and maybe also in the States...
Therefore, _I_ would prefer the old Doctor´s degree from the British university, but anyways...

Still, it is a "ESC", although they have given themselves a new better-sounding name for the non-French (good marketing btw!). I reckon the "mother institution"´s name will still be "ESC Grenoble", since it´s those ESC´s that have the (state) right to issue the degree...

Anyway, I hope you get your doctor´s degree soon and you will like the whole program, and if it suits best to you, your decision will certainly be fine.
As I said before, any school being EQUIS accredited can´t be a bad one (at all), so I can understand your decision.
I, personally, would just have decided differently (or in fact I did) due to 1) the name recognition issue, and 2) the high tuition costs (for Europe, also for France).

Best luck, wishes and success,

Trigger

 

I don't think we misunderstood, I just think that (I thought Americans were the most ethnocentric, looks like this trait is elsewhere too..... ) If something as silly as a word in a title of the school matters, it becomes suspect - that is just plain wrong. Just becuase that is how they do it in the UK, no other way is accepted and is suspect.

This question is with a bit of sarcasm - Since I named top ranked school is the country, and you said they might still have a hard time, since they do not have "university in the title", that would mean that rankings mean nothing, right? But then you state how your school (not sure which one) is No 2. Since rankings don't mean much, why would that matter.

And secondly, it does not have the size of the US, so #2 of 1000 and #2 of 100 are very different. I would think the European rankings would be beneficial, not necessarily one country. (I actually do not US news and world report because of this).

Even if a school is well known, a hiring organization, always does the research, and bases their information on data, not if one person has heard of it - that is what I like about academia. I guess the reason I make this issue, is that you are in higher education, and on this forum, so should know that facts and data matter, not one word in a title of a school. It scares me that someone could sit on a hiring committee with these same thoughts - though I hope you are alone in this opinion.

Lastly, Dartmouth is suspect too, right

 

Kristie

Do not become overly concerned with this thread's indirect sniping at Grenoble. It is well known to me and I would suspect to many people who work in British Business Schools.

Some of the points made here are plain daft. London Business School is not a University, nor is Henley but that does not prevent them and their graduates being highly reputable. I could name several UK universities whose MBAs are questionable because of their soft to non-existent exam regimes. But I suspect most employers or others involved do not discriminate so finely.

I have said several times on this Board that I find the obsession - there is no other word for it - over accreditation, recognition and the opinions (read ignorance) of recruitment 'specialists' more than disturbing. No decadent court of kings was ever so conscious of minute differences in rank as some of our colleagues here. Given that few of them actually run Business Schools or Fortune 500 corporations, I do not know why you take them seriously.

Your stuggle to start your DBA should be an inspiration to the nitpickers instead of a cause for this navel gazing about things that do not matter. The debate over 'doctorate' versus 'doctor' in a foreign language translation is so daft it would make adults weep. As for the Newcastle University diversion, ignore it. It is a fine traditional British university of which I have never heard any negative remarks.

As for 'explanation' situations, the mind boggles. This is 'cocktails at five' twaddle, when the 'experts' come out and having nothing else to say, prattle on about 'its so last year', or 'just not you darling' and its 'gonna take some explaining', when really they have no evidence; they're just trying to pass themselves off by their tone (not substance) of being 'in the know'.

Ignore them. Get on with your work. If Grenoble is good enough for AACSB, its gonna be good enough for far more well informed people than those trying to discourage you. You only have to show what you can do, not believe what others say you can't.

Kind regards

 

My wife just checked the accreditation of a french degree. The person was being considered for a position with her company and so my wife was doing a background check. I don't remember the name of the school, but it was "ESC" (whatever that is). Anyways, my wife, a very scrupulous researcher, gave it the "thumbs up." My wife said that if the school had AACSB (which it did not), she would have looked no further for accreditation.

This might be somewhat related to the conversation?

 

Since accreditation is applied to schools equally, meaning that my AACSB designation is the same as yours what really dictates the value of one school over another? Is it not the quality of professors/accomplishments of those participating/published works/historical presence that actually is the governing factor. Considering that the United States is but a young pup in the history of the world does it not speak highly that we are even naming schools in the US, let alone state schools that are younger still. Accreditation aside, what one does with the academic qualification will dictate the future reputation of the institution. I have been in over 20 countries and have found equally well educated persons in all of them. Many without any letters after their name but certainly a vision that has led others to follow. I have never been asked where I graduated from, the accreditation of the school, or if I was published. However, I am not in academia. I work for a living.

 

Prof Kennedy - Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Fed - Yes, it is related, and yes that is why AACSB is seen a a certain standard, then research does not have to continue.

On a side note, I am writing my dissertation - when my mind begins to wonder a bit, I sign on to read these threads, and it gives me inspiration - thanks to all - I love the discussion (though some more than others )

And Fed - I do both, so you will catch up eventually and be wiser to make a silly statement when you do so. (though I know you comment was to provoke somebody to retort).

 

Kristie,

my reply was not meant to provoke a retort but rather to lend some levity to an otherwise serious thread. I am sorry if it sounded otherwise. However, my post was not a personal statement regarding yourself, your abilities, catching up, or the merits of your wisdom. Good luck on your dissertation.

 

I think I need a break, sorry, didn't realie it was a joke.... I think too much writing and I need a drink.....

 

Up, Up and away...........(levity that is)