DETC Pilot Doctor of Business Admin and Education

You can look for yourself: http://www.sterling.edu/campus/directory/emp.cfm?eid=120

He lists his Clayton degree below, in the description of his educational background. Sterling in Kansas is very much an RA school, and a respected one at that. They obviously have allowed Dr. Bosch to list a business doctorate and to list the school from whence it came, Clayton, that is anything but RA. he lists it more directly as a PhD from Clayton in a previous school catalog for Vanguard University in California. I know those circumstances, and they are cold clear facts. Henceforth, I am not afraid to state them.

Jim, are you suggesting that colleges and universities cannothire faculty who do not have RA credentials? Please tell us the "facts" upon which this statement is based. And then we'll see who is "not afraid to make statements that are not grounded in fact".

I suspect that you, in your relative ignorance of this forum, think perhaps I am a shill for unaccredited institutions or have received my degrees therefrom. That's the only thing that would explain your hostility and the snotty, unwarranted statement above.

I've been civil to this point, but we all have our limits. For your information, I received my bachelor's from a large state U, my law degree from the University of Arizona, and I'm currently a student in the University of Massachusetts-Amherst MBA program. I have taught at the college level as an adjunct for three years, at two different institutions, both of them very much RA, and one of which just passed accreditation muster a week or two ago.

My name is neither Steve nor Dixie Randock, I'd appreciate it if you'd quit treating me as such.

And have a nice day.

 

Exactly, Steve, that is my only point here. There can be extenuating circumstances that do allow one to teach without the standard academic qualifications. And they occur from time-to-time. You do not have to paossess a doctorate from an RA institution in a givwen field for your degree or experience or whatever it is that qualifies you to "count". I recently took a course at UMass in the MBA program (ranked in the top 60-some nationwide by USN) and the fellow didn't even possess a business doctorate from any school, not even an unaccredited one. There are people who teach without any qualifications at all other than expertise and brilliance.

And now, if you'll bear with me, I'd like to take a little swipe at our resident expert in all things accreditation, Jim...

I certainly am not contending that NA or unaccredited degrees would get the job done for the great majority of people. However, that does not mean that an RA degree is sine qua non to getting a professorship or lecturer position. Jim is simply mistaken, or he holds in his mind a little knowledge, which is a dangerous thing.

Exhibit One: Elie Wiesel, who holds no formal degree whatsoever to my knowledge and is somehow a professor at Boston University, which is just a cut below Ivy League (and for that matter, there's likely not a single Ivy League institution that wouldn't fall all over itself making him an offer).

Does Mr. Wiesel hold an RA degree? NA degree? Any degree? Has Boston University faced an accreditation crisis from their regional agency for hiring him? Did either Mr. Wiesel or Boston U seek Jim's expert advice in academic matters?

No, no, no, no &, I can only imagine, a very definitive no.

 

Little Fauss....the credential that matters is the PhD...and Sterling is a bit of a flakey college or someone who joined in 2005 and lists NA credentials would NIT be the chair.

This is not personal...but I am not here to be your best freind. Having been a student, having been an adjunct, and then claiming that gives you insigght into RA/NA accreditiation makes me wonder how much "coddeling: your instuctors had to provide you. An adjunct simply has zip to do (or insight into) a school accrediation procedings.

You have made and continue to make some really uninformed statements. And you become offended when people let you know they are really uninformed. Perhaps it's time to change that?

 

Jim, you have reached full "My butt cheecks are kicked up around my shoulder blades but I dare not lose face" mode.

You use ad hominem attacks against institutions that do not fit within your fantasy view of regional accreditation--you said that a fine institution is "flaky" without supporting it with any hard facts. You'd better tell that to Emory University and the University of Michigan, two of the finest schools in the country, because I work closely with one who used Sterling as a springboard to get admitted to both of those schools' graduate programs in biostatistics.

Funny you said nothing about Boston University. Are they flaky? And would you like me to perform some basic research that demonstrates that there are many, many schools that accept people as faculty on the basis of other than academic qualifications? And that this concept, as was pointed out by Steve, shows up all over distinguished accreditation standards?

You accuse me, in a manner that now appears to be just a rote recitation, of being uninformed, but of course you don't tell me why I'm uninformed. I invited you to demonstrate your premise to me with facts, I begged for it. But you say nothing other than the aforementioned ad hominem and the repeated phrase that I'm ill-informed. I can assure you I've discussed accreditation issues with my dean (he refused to allow me to teach an economics course because of them) and that I have read the standards of multiple accrediting agencies. I'm not the consummate expert, but you have yet to tell me the source of your expertise. What is it? What is your connection to academia?

Again, I ask you: what about my premise is wrong? Why is it wrong? Please give hard facts next time, or this conversation is over. I won't waste my time on it anymore. In short, is it true or is it not true that a college or university can hire someone irregardless of academic qualifications, so long as they meet other criteria? Because that's all I'm saying, Jim. What about that statement qualifies as "misinformed"?

I do not get offended at you calling me misinformed, I get amused at it, as I consider the source.

What is "coddeling"?

 

Works for me. With all due respect, I wish you the best.