Creationism Involved the State Closure of Columbia Pacific University

Cpu

My understanding is that an appeal would be too expensive for the few former students to cover. The two C's did not offer monetary support, claiming insolvency, But Carr opened another school, leaving the former students in limbo, and continues to provide degrees. I believe that if the truth be told, Carr would not want an appeal. Several internal problems, and perhaps some political, were the cause of the schools demise. I applaud their efforts, but am suspicious of Carr involvement. The board consists of Carr supporters and double degree holders(both schools), some who are allegedly owed money by Carr. Any information, as to the closing of CPU, besides the political explination (excuse?) would be appreciated.

 

CPU

I feel that if there were any malfeasance, Carr should be prosecuted, or forced to assist the new efforts of a few folks attempting a very difficult, expensive, process. Some of which, I believe, are receiving bad advice from Carr, either knowingly or not. They refuse to allow anyone with questions about Carr on their forum. I'm sure someone on this forum has pertinent information reference Carr and CPU. Not just the political suggestions proposed.
Thanks

 

Are they gonna call it Delaware Pacific University?

(Sorry. Couldn't resist. Your posts are well-argued and most interesting.)

 

CPU

Thank you Uncle. These are concerns I've asked about, but been denied answers. Also booted off forum for same. Earon Cavanaugh(?) runs the forum and has posted here before. He has continued working on an RA Doctorate, but also worked for Carr, I think, and really pissed me off when he refused to acknowledge Carr's involvement. He has even touted his "much needed assistance" in the resurrection of the school.
This is totally contrary to prior statements. Carr was not to be involved period.
Now he is alleged to be needed for materials(?) and his expertise. Earon has booted several questioning individuals from the forum. Very suspicious. I feel that if the school is to have any future, it must distance itself from the prior honchos. Also, I believe there are several, sincere, former students involved. But, being unable to ask hard questions, they may be jumping in quicksand. I have several questions and no other forum in which to ask them. You folks are the experts, so I figured I would try here. I just don't want anyone duped, again.
Please excuse the hunt-and-peck

 

CPU

I read my posts and found that I could be misinterpreted. Carr's involvement should only be $. Nothing else. He strolled into the sunset, opened another school, and must be living in a dumpster, according to his own statements of poverty. Ludicrous.

 

The governators' peeps have no clue as to what in the world they are talking about. Surprise you? The egos on this web site are so big they think that if they send an e mail to the gov of California they're going to receive a response. Well not everyone in the world is so well versed in the closing of approved universites in San Rafael, Ca as the alumni themselves. The political appointees and various hacks who are responsible for the closing have all moved on. The time for Les and Dick to strike has come and gone. That is they have moved on and are going to clear their respective good names by developing a brand new university and the forlorn and abandoned alumni of CPU are going to make a loaf of bread from crumbs. It will take a long time, an s load of money, and the only thing you can do is sit by quietly and allow them to do their work. They do not have much to work with other than a name and a corporate seal.

 

CPU

Agreed, the new school is going to be extremely difficult to get off the ground. However, I doubt that the state was completely at fault for the closure. The two C's assured us in the 80's that the school was working toward accreditation. This continued through the 90's, until the forced demise. I fear Carr's association with the new enterprise will jeopardize any prospect of dragging the school from mill status to legitimate. I, like many other out of state degree holders, was unaware of any problems until reading about them in the paper. And with every call prior, I was informed that the school was pursuing accreditation. A blatant lie. Therefore, anything Carr says is suspect to me, as it should be to any former student. Doing nothing, for twenty years, does not instill confidence in someone's "good" name. Additionally, signing students, after state closure, is an attempt to obtain money and nothing else. Prove any of my statements wrong, and I'll shut up. Until that time, I will continue to say the same.

 

Yes, money was collected after closure and that in it self was wrong, illegal, an attorney would have to decide that.

There are 7 of us on the CPU alumni web site who email back and forth. It's apparent that any controversial comments will be met with expulsion, so we discus things out side of the box. We have just been informed that another member has been suspende from posting, the explanation he was given, "the silence was interpreted to be working against the idea of restarting the school."

Your comment about an illegal degree becoming legal is well founded. Going to Delaware "because they're easy," I wonder what the folks in Delaware think about that?

 

CPU

Dexter,
I'll post an e-mail address so we can commo if OK with you?

 

Hi Dexter. Welcome aboard. Your report about silence meeting with such suspicion is pretty scary. I doubt anything constructive can come of that.

 

CPU

Uncle,
This is Clay. Or problem is that we cannot post on our forum. We have been booted by Earon for asking hard questions. What other recourse have we?

 

Thank you for the welcome. Yes silence is a thing that can work for or against an endeavor. If you silence controversial opinions it's been my experience the only reaction would be to implode. New and fresh ideas are the life blood of any great adventure. Resurrecting a defunct school of higher learning, in my opinion, is a pretty great adventure and therefore needs as much input available.

 

CPU Closure & Gary Zukav

C'mon, to try to point to Gary Zukav's Dancing Wu Li Masters book as an indication that CPU was headed in the wrong direction has to be an inside joke. That book was considered light, slightly amusing reading material back in the 80's. No one who wants to go off on a 2005-style rant in their blog (or in this forum) and be taken seriously can refer to Zukav or his book. Deal with issues of substance or else write a satirical essay --- don't mix the two.

 

CPU recently attempted to restart by obtaining approval in Nevada. At that time the person filing the request in Nevada claimed that there was no connection with any former CPU person. I asked the VP at Columbia Commonwealth if there was any connection between the two and she said no. We did not look into the issue any further.

As I understand the situation, the State of Nevada did not approve the application, but I am not certain it was ever completed.

Why start a school using a name that is known to be tainted? After a certain point, the reasons why it is is tainted don't matter, because the stain can't be washed off. By all means start new schools, but use new names and give them a reputation they can be proud of.

 

CPU

Excellent point Alan. The problem is that the new school board has ties with Carr. And they believe that by moving to a new location, attempting to affiliate with an RA school, will legitimize the phony(post closure) degrees. Absurd! I believe two of the board have also received degrees from Carr's new school. One stated that it made her CPU degree more valid. I laughed my ___ off.
While you are here, is there any possibility that 80's era grads could get ODA approval? Any process?
Thanks

 

Clay, any holder of any degree issued by an unaccredited U.S. provider has a right to go through what is called a "section d review" in which the degree holder has an opportunity to show that the program from which the degree was earned would have a reasonable chance to meet the Oregon standards for such programs. There is a $250 fee for the review (ODA is required to charge for all reviews, this is not a taxpayer-supported activity, contrary to what one may hear from ShillNet).

The degree-holder must prove that the awarding school was operating legally in its state when the degree was issued.

In practice, the key areas in which a degree-holder must demonstrate standards are admission requirements, faculty qualifications, content of curriculum and policies on the award of credit for work.

The ODA standards for degree programs are set by state administrative rule in OAR 583-030-0035, available from our web site left sidebar.

It is always hard to succeed in a Section d review when a school has been closed for a while, but it is theoretically possible.

The non-Oregon schools listed in the "approved" list at the top of our web site on unaccredited schools are examples of successful Section d reviews. Bob Jones U, William Carey International, etc.

 

CPU

I believe that the" Approval" process was far more demanding in the 80's and perhaps some of the 90's. It would be very unfortunate to lump everyone together. I believe that Dr. Bear will agree that the school, at one time, was on par with other accredited schools. I know that I spent six years in classrooms, and received very few credits for military training, before I was awarded a Master of Science.

 

CPU

Alan,
In other words, I would be attempting to climb a sandhill. I have no access to that information, thanks to Carr et alii.

 

The problem with closed schools is exactly that - how can a former student obtain access to the needed information? There is one possibility: much of it was probably on file with the California approval authorities and is still there, as public records. This should include all the faculty information, policies on credit etc.

So is it really worth the time and heavy lifting? That is a decision that each person has to make.

 

CPU

Alan,
I believe your process, although still in the work phase, is very commendable. ODA approval, whether utilitarian to me or not, would be a personal goal only. Does your limited organization have the ability to request such data? I'd be happy to pay the required fees, as I'm sure others in my situation would. But being a single entity essentially negates my quest. If I were able to muster a group of similar folks, and send the fees, would your small, taxed office be able to request the information from Ca.?
Thanks