CBS' Andy Rooney calls Gibson "nuts" "wacko!" What does he call Muslims?

<<dear Orson

I am a muslim. And we do not worship, we pray for the good of all.

Worshiping is when you have a picture in front or some sort of statue. We do not have one. We do not pray in front of statues etc.

And I suggest you leave this topic alone.


Regards


Zengo>>



Zengo,

I am a Christian. In our faith, worship in no way entails having a picture or statue in front of you. I'm not sure where you got this idea. Christians also pray for the good of all, not to do so would be un-Christian.

 

Hi Zengo: I'm a Christian cleric. I think perhaps you and Pugbelly were just talking past each other, based on a different use of terms. I think you mean by "worship" what we might generally mean by "idolatry"--giving divine homage to pictures, statues, etc. Although the differences between our religions are profound, this one may well be terminological rather than substantial. I have never known an Anglophone Muslim to bridle at the term "worship," though you are, of course, entitled to do so.

Your saying "I suggest you leave this topic alone", however, was unfortunate. This is a discussion forum. That means things get discussed--including, sometimes, things about which we feel very strongly. Telling somebody not to discuss a topic isn't reverent. It's just churlish. If you don't want to participate in a discussion of a religious topic because it bothers you, then please refrain. If you don't want to read a discussion that bothers you, please skip the thread. If someone violates the TOS, report the post to the moderators.

Pugbelly has done you no wrong.

 

It would seem that several may have missed the point:

Fallwell, Robertson, Tim LaHaye (JJ, too), et al are practicing what I refer to as "Captalistic Christianity" and Rooney, recognizing same simply wanted his share.

Very little of what I see and hear in public canI attribute to the will of God. Passionate theology - naw, we Presbyterians are not too much into that. The Last Times/The Passion - a flash in the fire - give me Berkhoff, Calvin, Cullmann, those who give meaning to theos.

A Somber/Practical/Logical Cumberland Presbyterian Cleric.


And feel free to disagree, we Presbyterians believe this, too, is ok.

 

Which Berkhof (note sp.)?

 

Louiss

 

Passion Movie

Hi,
I just returned from the Passion movie. It is an absolute masterpiece. There is nothing that even comes close to anti-semitism. There is plenty of blood, but there should be in a historically accurate account. I would encourage everyone 12 and up to go.

BLD

 

These sentiments are shared by many in the faith. This is why I have always like Ghandi's response when asked why he didn't become a Christian:

"Oh, I don't reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ."

In the same context I saw this saying on a UMC marquee this afternoon:

"You are known by your deeds, not your creeds."

Which reminded me of John Wesley's great quote "Think and let think."

 

Always had great admiration for the CP's as they had the intestinal fortitude to ordain a woman when few outside of Unitarians, Universalists, and Congregationalists would.

Do you think the CPC will ever merge with the CPC in America?

 

Do you think the CPC will ever merge with the CPC in America?

I doubt this will happen, but both churches are more open to cross cultural members. As a matter of fact, the vice-moderater of the CP General Assembly in 2002 was an African-American from Texas. So, to borrow a phrase, we've come a long way - but we unfortunately have a long way to go.

A shame we can't look past the color barrier when we worship!

 

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people who teach predestination are blasphemers, says,

John Wesley, Sermon 128, 1740



right: "Think and let think"

 

The trouble is, uncle, that ALL revealed religion is beset with this conundrum: whether one talks or hears or reads God's Word, the message is conveyed somehow to humanity, and therefore Belief held by Believers (or their leaders) dimminished and attacked. No one can check Faith independently. No faith is immune.

Only science is not vulnerable to ad hominem vulgarization of belief that Rooney indulges in. This is because facts can be independently checked.

However one receives God's message, the "absurdity" may be mocked or sneered at. The next question is, should one? should you? should I? And if one - like Rooney - should start, where does it end?

--Orson