British credits

I am curious ...

You are in England ...?

Who are you working for, and in what capacity? Could you also tell us where you got your doctorate - those things are not secrets here....

You seem to be in more places than one, and almost at a time ...

...for example

Al Akhawayn University
Foo Yin
Meena University

...and you reside in Morocco...?

...and as a lucky last, please tell me where "Westbroak" is in Australia ... I am really curious.

Peter French
BEd MED MAcc [UNE]

 

Re: Response to Peter french

So you have seen letters from the Australian universities mentioned?

I work in with the faculties that are relevant, as i said, I cannot find anyone who has heard of them, or granted credits, or institutes a procedure to grant credits.

I will await Dr Leemans response from London, Morocco, or Calathumpia ... ... or are you also Dr Leeman?

"...I would not go down that path ...'" - why? ...becauee you said so ... I really love threats

Peter French

 

I do hope it isn't usual for correspondents like Peter to demand the life history of anyone who starts a topic on this site.

I have a Magna cum laude Doctor of Philosophy degree in History from Bremen University Germany "Africanist Political Movements in Lesotho and South Africa: the Orgins, history and structure of the Basutoland Congress Party of Lesotho and the Pan Africanist Congress of South Africa 1780-1984" (541 single spaced pages).

The Australian National University published a briefer account in 1995. My most recent research is due to be published in the USA "The Queen of Sheba and Biblical scholarship".

My BA Hons was from London University (SOAS) in African History and my M.Ed. St. from the University of the Northern Territory in Applied Linguistics and TESOL. I published a grammar of the Vunjo dialect of KiChagga (Kilimanjaro) and am cooperating on a work on the grammar of the Middle Atlas dialect of Berber.

I have a home in Kiliamnjaro, Tanzania and another in Australia. I lived in Westbrook Queensland but then worked for the Australian Army in Canberra for the UN Rwanda Force as a language specialist. I have also served in the British Army. I have worked in universities in Eritrea, South Korea, Vietnam, Australia (ACU), Sweden, Taiwan, Morocco and England (Southampton). Last year I was Visiting Fellow at Oxford University working on the Meena University project for women in Afghanistan. I believe it is better to work in the private sector to achieve this aim rather than seek help from charities.

 

Here's Leeman's original claim:

I am unable to comment on British universities.

Regarding American universities, I don't think that Leeman's plan is at all credible, for reasons that have already been posted.

The ABE itself makes far less sweeping claims than does Leeman regarding the recognition of its qualifications in university degree programs.

So my position on this is that these exams are probably valuable, and that it is probably useful for DL students to know about them.

But they shouldn't be oversold to prospective students either, by creating unrealistic expectations about what can be done with them.

Again, if there is a British or other foreign university that will give you three years credit for these things and then let you test out of your final year with CLEPs or something, fine. But I don't think that you could do this at *any* university in the United States, even TESC/Excelsior/COSC.

There are general education requirements at *every* RA school. What's more, pretty much any American higher education institution apart from those three above has residency requirements (where 'residency' means that a certain number of courses have to actually be taken from the school issuing the degree, even if they are remotely taught by DL.)

And there is the problem that most American schools will be totally unfamiliar with the ABE exams and will have to have them evaluated before they can commit to offering any set amount of credit for them. That's why I suggested that if the ABE is interested in students using these exams for credit in the US, that they contact the American Council on Education. The ACE evaluates non-collegiate education and makes credit recommendations that many American universities (including the California State University) accept. If the ACE determines that passing the ABE examinations is equivalent to completing X,Y and Z courses in a business major, then many American institutions will accept that. Such an ACE recommendation would make a separate evaluation in each and every student's case unnecessary.

 

I haven't made any sweeping claims. I am merely repeating what is written in the brochure I was given by ABE. Thanks for all your advice. I'll get back to you all later when the picture is clearer.

 

Take a look

For those who may not have already done so, I suggest taking a look at ABE's overall web site. If you go to the home page and click on 'news' you'll find some interesting information that does not appear under the simple listing as to which institutions will consider/accept ABE graduates.

For example, Wolverhampton University Business School and Herriott Watt are bothing giving exceptional credit. Herriott Watt will allow direct entry to the MBA and exemption from one module if someone has the ABE Advanced Diploma and three years professional experience. The other institutions listed will allow direct entry the final year of a three year bachelor's degree programme in business.

Telfax

 

So What?

Herriott Watt DO NOT require an undegraduate degree for entry to their MBA - so you can therefore deducat that the ABE qualification equals NO degree

It is a NON academic qualification - PERIOD! ... and I am still ye to find anyone here who has heard of it ... sorry about that.

Peter French

 

What's your probelm?

Because you cannot immediately find an Australian institution that has accepted an ABE student you seem to be adopting a very negative view towards ABE and, in my view (clearly you are, for whatever reason, going to disagree with me) you are wrong to do so! Yes, this time I am telling you you are wrong! You do a great dis-service to the many students, worldwide, who take the ABE examinations. The ABE examiners are all experts in their relative fields and ABE does have a good reputation, certainly in the UK (and in many other parts of the world) if not in some of its former colonies and dominions(!), so I think we need to give the organization credit where credit is due. It is interesting that you choose solely to comment on Heriott Watt and not on the other British universities that have deemed it satisfactory to award ABE graduates accelerated status in a wide variety of programmes.

Telfax

 

I don't have a problem - sorry ...

I don't have a problem - I commented on Herriott Watt and the Australian Universities that i have contacted ... OK?

I don't deny anyone an education, or the chance to get some 'decorations', or even a shortcut into a degree - good luck to them, and seriously - we all know that there is one hell of market in emerging and underdeveloped and under priviledge nations ... educaion is now a commodity isn't it.

Wjhile people still chase after 'letters after their names' there will be an market for almost anything - substantial or otherwise, not for one mement even considering that ABE is of no portent on consequence.

Peter French
Certified Management Accountant
Fellow Australasian Institute of Banking and Finance
Fellow Associaition of Taxation and Management Accountants
Member Institute of Industrial Engineers
Member Australian College of Educators
Member Australian Institute of Training and Development

....and I nearly forgot

BEd MEd MAcc [UNE] CAcc [RMIT] DipProdEng [BIET]

And by the way - are you on commission, Dr Leemans driver between Morocco and London, his cousin

 

Let us not fall out!

What does 'no portent of consequence mean'! I've never met Dr Leeman, I have no idea who he is, I am no way related and I am ceratinly not Dr Leeman! In my judgement (it may not be that of everyone else-but I have a MORE [not stated arrogantly, but I have!] than adequate handle of what's going on in the business/management field!) ABE is generally doing an excellent job for the people it attracts. I'm now going to state/write very little other than if I see something that is quite wrongly stated about ABE. No, I'm not an examiner, employee, etc! I think folks have just look at the web site, judge it for what it is (or isn't) and then go ask questions directly of ABE itself and get ABE to respond to any concerns! You'll find it, in my view, fine!

Telfax

 

Re: Let us not fall out!

Well I have looked at the website as a teacher in the area, as a principal of a College in the same area, as a professional practitioner in the area, and now so have a lot of other people out here, and I am not going public with the opinions ... and i think that I am adeqauetly qualified also - check out
www.Accountancy.homestead.com
and besides that I am intelligent even to the point that I know that if my auntie has balls she'd be my uncle ... now this will probably get struck out but they are the words repeated on radio, national television, national papers, and in our financial press from one of our self made top wealth individuals -understandable of course as we are the product of convicts [everyone nod and say '...that's bloody obvious...'] and guess where we came from?

Have a nice day

Peter

 

Wasn't going to reply but have decided to do so Peter

Peter,

I've pondered this for a day or so now. You state that you've got things about ABE you won't go public with.....why? If there is something I, we, ABE should know, then please tell us. If people are making statements/judgements about ABE that are incorrect (or true perhaps) then let us/me/ABE respond. The only people I have regard for in this discussion are the students. There are so many (I think around 20,000 each year take the ABE exams) all around the world. I feel that I have an obligation to protect them and defend them if others are questioning ABE's integrity. I'm sure, like virtually every other organization under the sun (even the most prestigious universities), ABE may not get things quite right from time to time, but I have neither seen, nor heard, anything that convinces me that its examinations and awards are other than more than credible. The credibility has been further enhanced by the fact that so many universities (British if not Australian) have been able to accord ABE credential holders advanced standing in their own programmes.

Telfax

 

Re: Wasn't going to reply but have decided to do so Peter

Please take a breath, and re-read that I said

"... and I am not going public with the opinions ..."

If you read that to mean something adverse, and in particular that:

* Its exams are not credible
* Questioning its integrity

and that there is something that I won't go public with - get serious.

I am an educator and I don't spread gossip, or hint that I may have something adverse. I do ask questions and quite pointedly because if people make claims, they either back them up, and if that person is a PhD they WELL KNOW the rules of evidence, or their calims are not worth reading.

I have asked the questions that I neede to, I have done my seperate research, and I have made the results available to
this group.

Also consider that when someone is a "Dr", and works across the road in London, then it appears even closer to the organisation than that, lives in Morocco, is a Matsers graudate from our NTU, and in a discussion group misspells his home town - Westbrook as Westbroak [the 'o' and 'a' are not really near each other or any close letter used] I am cautious and curious.

And by the way, I have no further questions to put to this subject, as additional information is available elsewhere.