Yorkshire University in Australia: Advice needed

I read the following links on Yorkshire University and it is obviously not a well regarded entity on DI:

http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?threadid=10493&highlight=Yorkshire

Mr. Browns link on the possible connection between YU and the YU Institute of Security Management Pty Ltd

http://www.degreeinfo.com/static/forum_archive/1/10739/thread_10739_page_1.html

I have discovered that the YU Institute of Security Management Pty Ltd is indeed owned by Yorkshire University.

http://www.securitytraining.net/PDF/YU.PDF

Here is my dilemma. The YU Institute of Security Management Pty Ltd is a legitimate fully recognised “Registered Training Organisation” listed on the NTIS database. They offer the same recognised programs that any other RTO offers and YUISM “Certificates” and “Diplomas” are recognised by other RTO’s

My problem is that the YU Institute of Security Management Pty Ltd offers certain programs via distance learning that no other RTO offers or can deliver. Even though this is a recognised RTO should I avoid it anyway because of the YU affiliation?

The reason I am asking you all of this is that I am looking for advice and personal opinions. What would you do in my shoes?

 

Any qualification listed on the NTIS listing has been put there by the Government - it is their site - so they have passed through all of the hoops and are able to legitimately offer those qualifications.

Anything NOT on the NTIS listing may be another thing entirely. All RTO's and TAFE's are bound to recognise common nationally accredited qualifications under the provisions of the AQTF - but this is the NTIS listed ones only.

The delivery means is not an issue. Are the qualifications you are referring to listed on the NTIS or not?

 

Yorkshire University is not, and has never claimed to be, an Australian University. For a full listing of authorised Australian universities, please see http://www.aqf.edu.au/register.htm#university

You will note that Yorkshire University is no more - it has actually changed its name to the University of Port Vila Limited

The YU Institute of Security Management Pty Ltd (not its registered RTO name) is indeed still linked to the University of Port Vila Limited as can be seen from this URL - http://www.securitytraining.net/yorkshire_university.htm

Please note that the official name of the RTO is The National Security Training Academy, with full details here.

The qualifications you see listed here are the only qualifications permitted by the National Security Training Academy to offer. They are recognised under the Australian Qualifications Framework. They are NOT issued by the YU Institute of Security Management Pty Ltd, Yorkshire University Pty Ltd or University of Port Vila Pty Ltd.

Cheers,

George

PS - as an aside, I note there is a discrepancy between what is on its scope and what is being delivered - they had better have their listing on the NTIS database updated.

 

Are you sure? Y.U. Institute of Security Management Pty Ltd is a listed RTO and uses the same URL that the NSTA uses

http://www.ntis.gov.au/cgi-bin/waxhtml/~ntis2/org.wxh?page=60&inputRef=11889

And if you go to: http://www.securitytraining.net You will see the following name at the top of the page...

"Welcome to the Website of Y.U. Institute of Security Management Pty Ltd"

 

I stand corrected, thank you for pointing that out. I did a search for YU, but it did not come up - you are correct.

So there are two RTOs:

http://www.ntis.gov.au/cgi-bin/waxhtml/~ntis2/org.wxh?page=60&inputRef=11889

&

http://www.ntis.gov.au/cgi-bin/waxhtml/~ntis2/org.wxh?page=60&inputRef=1381

Out of interest, I asked Dr Franks some time back where he earned his PhD. There was no reply.

Cheers,

George

 

I have been looking for an RTO that offers the new "Diploma in Security and Risk Management" by distance learning and the only ones that seem too are from NSW. Of course, NSW RTOS cannot offer such courses internationally by DL.

The only RTO left who offers this course via distance learning is the "Y.U. Institute of Security Management Pty Ltd."

Quite a dilemma, have no idea what to do here.

 

Erm, not sure where you got your info for this, but they can, with the appropriate systems in place.

I know nothing of the subject area, so I cannot comment, but there is no reason to suggest that the program is substandard or to be questioned. The Y.U. Institute of Security Management Pty Ltd is an RTO that falls under the auspices of the AQTF and other quality standards. It offers a nationally recognised program that is transportable and would no doubt have utility in the area. What's holding you back?

Cheers,

George

 

One NSW RTO informed me that NSW criminal record checks must be performed on all security students. Since I was not a citizen of Australia, it would not work out.

Maybe that was there way of saying "screw off Horatio?"

I am a little concerned about the "YU" connection. The actual RTO is legitimate and I am casting no dispersions on them but the connections and affiliations bother me a little. What do you think?

 

No, I am sure they didn't mean it like that, it may have been just too hard. I dont know, as I said, I am no specialist in the area, but it may be worth checking out the regulatory body for the area and see what they say - and what that is, I again, have no idea - sorry.

I wouldn't worry about it. After YU was warned to remove all mention of Australia etc off its site, Franks did the right thing and complied. I think it was an honest mistake, and they are trying to offer something different in an alternative area in Vanuatu.

I can see no reason why you shouldn't pursue the program with the Security Institute, but again, you might come up with same background check problem. Keep us up to date when you make enquiries.

Cheers,

George

 

It appears that he is above board...the RTO in Queensland is fully recognised by the ANTA and that is the benchmark. Richard was also upfront and honest with me about what the "YU" stood for and his affiliations.

Amazingly this seems to be unique to NSW. I recently earned my Certificate II in Security Operations and am working on my Certificate III in Security Operations with an RTO from Perth via distance learning. No background checks at all.

 

Well, to be honest, it does not suprise me one bit! New South Welshmen appear to be a law unto themselves, in many different ways!!!

When I was Academic Director for Le Cordon Bleu, I argued with NSW for ages on a similar incident. My students, who had studied and attained a national unit of competence in South Australia, were not permitted to work in NSW until they had redone the unit with another lecturer who had to be from NSW and had to be done in NSW!!! I even offered to fly in the NSW lecturer in and do it in SA, but it was refused. So much for a national framework!!!

Cheers,

George

 

NSW does seem to do things different from the rest of the nation. For example they were the last state to adopt the new security packages that recently came into effect. In fact, the last time I checked, some RTO's were still operating under the old security curriculum while the rest of the country was on the new one. Go figure.

I thought you also might like to know that I will be undertaking the "Diploma in Business - Frontline Management" after completing my "Certificate III." I like the vocational educational system in Australia, very hands on and practical.