Woman found guilty of posing as a psychologist

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  1. PsychPhD

    PsychPhD New Member

    You already know ...

    My GOD! Where do you get this arrogance?

    You aren't even IN the system ... or the profession from what you've revealed ... but you feel you are qualified to criticize a practitioner in the profession. Your vast amount of experience -- none -- is significantly less than even a freshly minted psychologist walking in on his/her first day! (Oh, and could your not feeling you have to flaunt your credentials have something to do with you not HAVING any? Love how those who choose not to acquire any knowledge feel qualified to criticize the intelligence/ability of those who have!)

    You know as well as I you can sent me private message here. If you know anything about the NYS state system, your "source" has a state EMail address that does not identify him/her by name, so please send that along in a private message to me here.

    Or were you not serious about your offer of an anonymous contact?
     
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  2. simon

    simon New Member

    Your attempts to evade this discussion are transparent. I have offered to arrange a confidential discussion between you and a Psychologist or myself while attempting to maintain the privacy and confidentiality of all parties concerned (including yours). Using the state Email address regarding this matter is inappropriate and unacceptable. As an alternative, you can provide a telephone number where you can be reached or if you wish to correspond by private e-mail on this forum or if you have an anonymous e-mail address where this discussion can take place I will gladly accomodate you.
     
  3. PsychPhD

    PsychPhD New Member

    And there you have it ...

    You have means to contact me privately RIGHT HERE.

    YOU are the one now evading your OWN offer of contact.

    Finally, I hope people can see through your pathetically transparent hyperbole.

    No one with a functioning brain stem would capitulate to your offer to orchestrate a contact with a third party blindly. YOU made the offer. YOUR credibility is now on the line. I am not going to provide you with MY contact information so you can then pretend to be Dr. Chief Psychologist on the phone or quickly create [email protected]. Starting to sound more and more like your "contact" was either wholly fabricated or has no idea that you are attempting to parlay his/her name into your own credibility.

    Ball's in your court ... and it appears that you are just going to stand there and again cry foul.
     
  4. simon

    simon New Member

    In good faith and honest intentions I have offered confidential means to discuss this matter while protecting both of our identities. It does not seem that you will be amenable to this discussion due to the fact that you are obviously aware that your "facts" will be exposed as "fluff". Therefore, if any regular poster on this forum gives a damn I will gladly have a CONFIDENTIAL discussion or e-mail correspondence and will conclusively show cause as to the BS you are passing off as fact on this forum as well as discuss my background that provides me with the capacity to do so.
     
  5. PsychPhD

    PsychPhD New Member

    Go right ahead ...

    Wow, the delusions of grandeur are really flying fast and furious now!

    You claim to be ready for a confidential discussion but only under your terms of being the only one who knows the identities of the participants.

    You want to take this privately off-list, by all means ... long overdue.
    But NO ONE will send you their personal phone number or EMail address so you can pretend to be whomever you want ... or then use the other person's contact information for any of a variety of nefarious purposes.

    You want to finally come clean and reveal your "source" or your "qualifications," you can start by sending me a private message.

    But, you have made it clear that you are only willing to casting aspersions against others' credentials and credibility, while simultaneously making bogus offers of contact.

    Ladies and gentlemen ... Emperor Simon has no clothes.

    [I'm done with this silly game.]
     
  6. simon

    simon New Member

    Very manipulative ploys to maintain his pseudo position of "power" on this forum but obviously very transparent. This guy is not the quintessential Psychologist but IMHO a quintessential BS artist who has got caught and is attempting to use every ploy in the book (in fact he wrote it) to avoid a private discussion (that I requested to protect both of our identities) that will readily reveal the information that he has presented in this thread is bogus. He has not one iota of respect for the posters on this board as evidenced by his presenting a steady stream of misinformation which he is aware is untrue but this does not prevent him from continuing to do so. When trapped, as he is currently, he will counter with myriad and spurious accusations in order to place the other on the defensive in an attempt to avoid detection and exposure. Fortunately he has already exposed himself by all the machinations he has employed to defend himself.
     
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  7. PsychPhD

    PsychPhD New Member

    Game, set, match

    One would hope that the simple fact that Simon made the incredibly dramatic, but impractical, offer to privately convey his and/or his "source's" contact information and has not done so should be the end of this sordid "discussion" and his credibility.

    One would hope ...
     
  8. simon

    simon New Member

    PsychPhD: One would hope that the simple fact that Simon made the incredibly dramatic, but impractical, offer to privately convey his and/or his "source's" contact information and has not done so should be the end of this sordid "discussion" and his credibility.

    SIMON: Obviously Psychwhoever got caught and attempted to manuever which ever way possible to avoid a private discussion of the spurious assertions he made in this thread that would have revealed major gaps in his credibility. My offer to have this discussion with him in private was genuine with no ulterior motives in spite of the paranoid scenarios he concocted as being my motive in order to summarily get me off his back. He has obviously not succeeded.

    My rationale for pursuing this issue to this extent is that the spurious claims and assertions Psychwhoever is making in this thread demonstrate his total lack of respect and disregard for every poster on this board! This should not be tolerated as well as his belief that he can make any blatantly inaccurate assertion he desires without one iota of anxiety about being caught. This is based on his feelings of entitlement. In his own words he alledgedly possesses a doctorate in psychology, supposedly teaches an online course, and claims to have years of experience in the mental heath field (as well as being an expert in the NYS Psychiatric system after only being "hired recently") which he believes empowers him to make any statements he desires, accurate or not, without anyone having the audacity to question him.

    So fellow posters tread carefully in the presence of this guy and try to avoid being duped by his repeatedly presenting his boastful and alledged credentials in lieu of credible statements. His manipulative, boastful and manuvering ploys only serve to bolster his self-esteem without any regard or respect as to our needs for honest interactions in this anonymous forum.
     
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  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I respectfully suggest that you gentlemen take this to email.

    Regards,
    Bill
     
  10. simon

    simon New Member

    I agree and have offered to do so. Unfortunately the "eminent doctor" refused. Que sera, sera.
     
  11. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Oh, gyawd, this thread has deteriorated! I'm sorry that a series of flip comments on my part has caused the discussion to go downhill. My comments that a psychiatrist can make more money on four 15-min. med consults than on one 1-hr. (talk) therapy session and that psychiatrists (like all other medical doctors) are basically trained in what drugs/surgeries can cure/treat which conditions were meant to be merely factual, not inflammatory. Never did I mean to imply that there is anything wrong with drug therapy for mental illnesses; indeed, simon is correct in that oftentimes drugs are necessary in order to get one mentally stable enough for talk therapy to do any good. I merely meant to convey that the health care consumer needs to know the differences between different types of mental health professionals and what each can do for you. PsychPhD, simon, believe it or not, I like you both and I wish the two of you would stop fighting. :confused:
     
  12. PsychPhD

    PsychPhD New Member

    For the last time

    Once again, you have done your bait-and-switch, simon.
    For anyone with a better than third grade reading comprehension can see, I have repeatedly agreed to a "confidential" contact with your "source."

    However, as soon as I did, you once again changed the rules, now insisting that I provide you with my personal contact information, which obviously would maintain your anonymity while obliterating mine.

    So, once again, the "eminent doctor refused" comment is another example of you making stuff up out of whole cloth.

    For the last time, I am waiting for your source's contact information so your claims of expertise can be validated, as you offered. But, given your extensive track record, I hold out precious little hope that you will abide by the terms of your own offer.

    I have nothing more to say to you.
     
  13. simon

    simon New Member

    As noted repeatedly this guy is the quintessential manipulator and manuverer but foremost lacking in credibility.

    Psychwhoever DEMANDS that I provide my "source's contact information so that my claims of expertise can be validated". In fact we really have not "validated" Psychwhoever's claims regarding his alledged educational attainments and areas of expertise! He remains an elusive and anonymous figure on this forum claiming to hold a doctorate in psychology, presenting significant amounts of inacccurate information as fact, while maintaining an attitude that he is never wrong, infallible and cannot be questioned. He tells us to believe that he is everything he says he is BUT has never validated his expertise to our satisfaction! So I should acquiesce to provide my "source's contact information and expertis" to this anonymous and questionable entity who we really know nothing about? The term entitled does no justice in describing this guy's get-over antics.

    However, I will accept his challenge as follows. Quid pro Quo Psychwhoever. Because it was your DEMAND that I provide proof that the person contacting you is truly a Psycholgist it is only fair that you provide evidence of YOUR expertise so that the poster's can "validate" your claims of holding a doctorate in Psychology, work for NYS in that capacity and teach online courses in Psychology and have years of experience as a mental health professional. In turn I will present the data you requested. BTW, any additional rationalizations, accusations or manuvering will not be accepted in lieu of your conforming to the demands that you imposed on me. We are waiting my friend.

    In the meanwhile if Ted Heiks wishes to arbitrate this matter (I trust this poster as being impartial and fair although he and I do not see eye to eye at times) I would gladly communicate privately with him and provide any data he requests that will enable him to draw impartial conclusions. I only ask that he subsequently presents this data on this forum for all posters to review and to assist them in forming their own conclusions in order to put this matter to rest.
     
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  14. PsychPhD

    PsychPhD New Member

    Your own words

    Simon, as you seem intent on doing nothing but mischaracterizing the words of others, why don't you take a crack at refuting the only person you seem to believe is worthy of your expertise -- yourself.

    I am tired of repeating that I have accepted your "offer" to make contact with your "sources" in the NYS system. (Though, it is interesting to point out that apparently YOU have no expertise in this area, but are relying on your communications with others). However, once I accepted your offer, you changed it, insisting that I provide my personal information while remaining anonymous yourself.

    Here, argue with yourself:

    To which I replied:
    Minutes later, Simon changes the offer, requiring that I provide my personal contact information preserving his (and his "source's" anonymity):
    And then the character assassination begins:
    ... and the proceeds to again, (repeatedly) mischaracterize someone who has the temerity to have challenged him as being one who has avoided the issue.

    Bottom line, Simon has not "gladly accomodated" anyone. He made an offer (probably presuming no one would actually call him on it) and when someone did, predictably began changing the rules so he could continue to portray himself as the wronged party.

    I am SO done with this pathetic exchange. I have accepted Simon's offer and he has backed out and continued to mischaracterize me, my background, my profession, etc. In reviewing Simon's 1,000+ postings, it appears he has quite a history of this behavior and I am not the only one who has been on the receiving end of this troll's attention.

    So, again, moderators, don't you care enough about the value and reputation of this forum to intervene against someone more interested in attacking other posters than sharing helpful information?
     
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  15. raristud2

    raristud2 New Member

    PsychCentral.com has discussion forums about many areas of Psychology. Members at the PsychCentral forums may resolve disagreements about treatment modalities in Psychiatric facilities. The forums may be a more appropriate venue to continue your discussions and come to closure. I hope the both of you can come to an understanding.

    http://forums.psychcentral.com/
     
  16. simon

    simon New Member

    Folks,

    Psychwhoever, not me, has been using the professional title of Psychologist on this forum while using his claimed expertise in all facets of mental health with the entitled expectation and double standard that only he does not have to validate his credentials while other posters are liars until they validate theirs! What does this tell you about this individual? That he is a fair, honest poster with good intentions? In fact, we have no vald proof that he is a Psychologist, a plumber, a superintendent of a building or an unemployed wannabee troll!

    He, not me, wishes to remain anonymous BUT demands that he receive all the accolades of a holder of a doctoral degree and with the expectation that other posters will unquestionably acknowledge his authority and infallibility as an expert in all facets of psychotherapy, mental illness and even civil service systems in which he was 'recently hired"! However, he has made a number of seriously inaccurate, self-aggrandizing assertions that are clearly misleading to fellow poster but yet does not demonstrate one iota of concern that he gets caught repeatedly! What does this tell you about this individual? Is his behavior due to his belief that he is anonymous and therefore has no responsibility to exercise appropriate decorum and integrity in cyberspace? He is incorrect.

    Psychwhoever, not me, claims to be on this forum to share and learn from others. However, as repeatedly revealed throughout this thread, he fails to acknowledge that a number of his assertions were blatantly incorrect when pointed out to him and instead attempts to wheedle, manipulate and manuver to avoid being held accountable for his conscious attempts to mislead others. However, he expects others to accept what he states as fact because he is allegedly a Psychologist and that because he says so it is! What does this tell us about this individual? That he has integrity, honesty and respect for us mere mortals ? Not very likely.

    He also asserts that Simon had run ins with other posters but fails to acknowledge that he had quite a few furious disagreements with other posters himself! What does this tell us about this individual who clearly holds a double standard; one for himself whereby he will say, do, act, behave and comport himself in any manner he wishes while WE have to comply with his DEMANDS and standards?

    Its enough already. I am open to communicating personally with any responsible and regular poster on this forum to put this matter to rest. No manipulations, manuverings or tricks that Psychwhoever has employed but a direct discussion that will expeditiously validate my rationale and capacity to make the assertions I have opined. Thanks, Simon
     
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  17. simon

    simon New Member

    Ted Heiks: Never did I mean to imply that there is anything wrong with drug therapy for mental illnesses; indeed, simon is correct in that oftentimes drugs are necessary in order to get one mentally stable enough for talk therapy to do any good.

    Ted, there is no need to apologize.

    As an addendum to your point above, when working with severely and chronically mentally ill state institutionalized persons psychotropic medications are critical to enable many of them (unfortunately not all) to get their lives together and possibly to re-enter society. Without these medication interventions the vast majority of these patients would deteriorate, behaviorally, cognitively and socially, and remain in the back wards of psychiatric facilities for the remainder of their lives.

    For a poster to make general claims that this patient population is amenable to psychotherapy in order to make them medication compliant is absurd! In fact, lengthy psychotherapy, as stated by this poster (especially his assertion of 45 minute therapeutic sessions) with the vast majority of these patients is contraindicated and not productive due to the nature of the vast majority of patients' psychodynamics and psychiatric pathology, as any credible mental health professional will attest to. To state otherwise immediately leads one to suspect either inexperience, a lack of understanding of the dynamics of this patient population or a wish to self-aggrandize one's capabilities in spite of the fact that it is misrepresenting the facts.

    The additional piece that is omitted by this poster, is that there is a major reason why Psychiatrists are paid a much higher salary than Psychologists in the NYS and other mental health systems other than the greater rigor and intensity of their education and training. Because of their role as physicians they are held responsible and accountable for the physical health and very lives of the patients under their aegis! Each time a Psychiatrist administers a medication, diagnoses or treats a patient for any medical/psychiatric condition, monitors and titrates their medications, that patient's life and physical/psychiatric well being hinges on the judgement, accuracy and efficacy of the medical doctor's intervention. If the patient becomes ill, dies or has an iatrogenic physical/psychiatric reaction or crisis it is not only a matter of professional responsibility BUT that the patient's very well being and life may be at risk! This is why within state psychiatric systems such as NYS, Psychiatrists are considered pivotal to integrating the patient psychiatrically as well as medically with appropriate medications and treatment modalities. The goal is to enhance their capacity to participate and gain benefit from the other treatment modalities (ie, recreational, vocational rehabilitation, ADL, and various groups) on the wards. Contrary to the other posters attempts to sway and mislead other posters on this forum, the role of Psychology does not and cannot substitute for the skill sets and competencies possessed by Clinical Psychiatrists and in no way do they have a commmensurate level of overall responsibility for the health status of the patient. Just wished to clarify the facts.
     
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  18. PsychPhD

    PsychPhD New Member

    Thank you ... but not the point

    While I certainly appreciate learning of a different (and hopefully more welcoming) forum, it is nonetheless distressing that yet again, people here seem unwilling to take a stand against intellectually fallacious, personally offensive tactics when they are employed here.

    Bullies don't go away because you ask them nicely -- they only go away when more than one person stands up and says "we won't take this anymore."
     
  19. simon

    simon New Member

    PsychPhD: Bullies don't go away because you ask them nicely -- they only go away when more than one person stands up and says "we won't take this anymore."[/QUOTE]

    Let us examine how PsychPhd misrepresents the meaning of the term "Bullies" in this context. What he really means is that when another poster clearly demonstrates that the majority of assertions and claims he has presented on this thread, as well as others, are grossly inaccurate or do not concur with HIS construct of the meaning of truthfulness then that person "bullies". In actuality, he is the bully as evidenced by his using an alleged professional title Psychologist as well as his claims of expertise in the mental health field to keep other posters in their place and to not dare question his authority and the crediblity of his statements. This is the manner in which he operates; manipulating situations so that he will appear to be the victim and others the oppressor!
     
  20. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member

    Wow! Seeing this old thread is quite the surprise!
     

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