Why would a Spanish University not have a .edu

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  1. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    I noticed that the Universidad Isabel I did not have a .edu suffix. It is accredited (as I understand it) in their two tier system. It is a private University. Other government schools seem to have the .edu.

    Does anyone have an explanation or understanding of why?
     
  2. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Because the .edu top level domain is run by EDUCAUSE, and they only make them available to universities that are accredited by agencies recognized by the U.S. Department of Education.

    A few schools that registered a .edu domain name before that requirement was put in place twenty or so years ago still have them, which is why there are a few rare exceptions around the world.
     
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  3. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Thank you and by implication that means the Spanish accreditor of Universidad Isabel I is not recognized by the US Dept of Ed in the same way that the higher level accreditor of Spanish Government Universities is recognized.

    Someone posted there were two types of accreditation in Spain (forgot the terms). Both recognized. One is a higher level accreditation and means you can go on to PhD study and the other is not (almost reminded me perhaps of vocational). I may have that interpretation wrong. The poster said that Isabel I is legit but is the second type of accreditation. Someone else did post the degrees were legal for use in Germany.
     
  4. Johann766

    Johann766 Active Member

    All the German state Universities have .de domains so not Edu neither
     
  5. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Thanks Johann. So, not necessarily damning for Universidad Isabel. What I read says it is genuinely accredited and was useable in Germany. I guess how NACES evaluators look at it won't be know until someone submits it.
     
  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It doesn't mean that at all. It means that whatever other university you're talking about registered a .edu domain name long enough ago that they're grandfathered in, nothing more.

    The U.S. Department of Education does not police the world, and .edu domain names are not meant for non-U.S. institutions. A few non-U.S. institutions have them as rare exceptions, none of which actually mean anything from a quality assurance or recognition perspective. Indeed, a few of the ones that are grandfathered are unaccredited institutions that happened to register them long enough ago to keep them, like Century University.

    Unless this is a reference to the two different categories of degrees that their universities can offer, I'm not sure where you're getting this.

    I believe we know that Foreign Academic Credential Service, a NACES member, has evaluated it as equivalent to a credential from a U.S. regionally accredited university, although I don't recall whether as a Master's degree or as a 30 credit graduate certificate. But I agree it will be interesting to see what the others say, as they're notorious for disagreeing.
     
  7. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    Thanks Steve. Here is the wording I was looking for (from Degree Forum):

    "The grey area is not in their accreditation. The grey area is how the difference between a "título propio" and "título oficial" are perceived internationally. In Spain, a título propio is a professional development degree, recognized still as a degree, not a certificate. A Título oficial is an academic degree which allows a person to continue on to a doctorate. The ENEB degree appears to be as legit as any other título propio, just not as prestigious."

    So, based on what I have read Universidad Isabel is a private University, holds recognized Spanish accreditation and is a legitimate degree...though not as prestigious as some and in the professional degree category.

    In any case, makes that Groupon seem like a good deal. Others posted they have done the program and did get U Isabel diplomas which were verifiable on the site.
     
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  9. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

  10. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    .ac stands for academic, which is the equivalent for .edu (education). India, South Africa, and other countries use .ac as well. For example, my alma mater Don Bosco University website is http://www.dbuniversity.ac.in/ Countries outside of the U.S. that use .edu also add their country code. For example, the University of Technology, Jamaica, uses www.utech.edu.jm However, the University of the West Indies multi campuses use only .edu.
     
  11. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    It is used widely this way. However, .ac is the TLD for the Ascension Islands and not something as official as ".edu". See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ac
     
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  12. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    .ac is used by some degree mills, too - none I know of are Ascension-located. I'm sure they expect people will confuse it with the legitimate .ac used by British and Commonwealth-orbit schools. They often use edu buried in the URL - other than as a TLD. e.g johann-university-edu.org (home of the $50 doctorate.)
     
  13. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's true, although a lot of universities, including a lot in the UK, use .ac domains as URL shorteners, and some legitimate universities use it as their canonical domain name, like https://diu.ac/

    There are also .university, .college, and .education top level domains now, among others: https://www.enom.com/domains/education-domains

    Top level domain names aren't all that useful a shortcut to determining whether an institution is legitimate or not, though. For example EBS uses a .net domain: https://www.ebsglobal.net/

    Fifty bucks? I'm in! ;)
     
  14. Neuhaus

    Neuhaus Well-Known Member

    Though neuhaus-theological-seminary.edu.org is the home of the $49.99 Doctor of Divinity...
     
  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    I'll save you money, with our special offer, Steve. We have a validation scheme. For free, Die Freie Universität von Johann will validate, accredit and otherwise legitimize any degree you print up yourself. Your degree will also be good at certain um-Universities in Latin America that cross-validate each other and are largely remote-controlled by Europeans.

    Or at a very good, though presently unaccredited school on Dominica, maybe.
     
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  16. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I have to admit, a certificate from "Die Freie Universität von Johann" would be one heck of a souvenir!
     
  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Our other products include a Master's in Leathercraft from École Supérieure Louis Vuitton and a J.D. from Old Jack Daniels University. :)
     
  18. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    Hello!


    I must admit that being the owner of a respected academy is one of my biggest wishful dreams. Being a university dropout myself, I with that in 2045, an interview runs like this: "I must admit I am a college dropout, but I have a certificate from the Mac Juli Academy of Purchasing, finishing as Ordinary Mac." - "Oh, you have? You got the job"!


    Best regards,
    Mac Juli
     
  19. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    2045? Believe me, Mac - the last thing you want at 65 is a steady job! :eek:
     
  20. Mac Juli

    Mac Juli Well-Known Member

    Please get me right - at 65, I am hopefully the guy who runs the university. The dialogue is between a HR manager and a young graduate of the Mac Juli Academy of Purchasing.
     

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