What If 2020 Was Just a Rehearsal?

You're wrong. You thought wrong. I don't know whether it's language barrier, motivated cognition (ie, believe in what you WANT to believe in), or something else. There is nothing HRC did or said that is even remotely close to what Trump and GOPniks do to democracy now. Nothing. Reminder: she conceded the election to Trump the night of, and to the nation the next morning. Leave the poor woman out of this muck, for Heaven's sake.

P. S. Wouldn't it be something if Cadet Bonespurs came to a Sehate hearing and was grilled by the Dems for 11 hours, like Secretary Clinton did for Benghazi thing? I guess he and all of his lackeys are too chickensh#t to ever do such a thing

 

Just because Russia tried to help Trump win the election it does not mean he was not legitimate. Or are you questioning that Russia tried to help Trump? You are aware that something like 13 Russians were indicted by name for trying to help Trump in the election aren't you?

Trump being a spy or not is also not saying he was not legitimately elected. Republicans are the ones talking about rigged elections and illegitimately elected presidents for the past two elections. After 2016 falsely claiming the left was saying it and then themselves saying after 2020.

Calling him a spy was extremely rare in any case and the few times it was said would not prove true your stupid lie. "I can argue that your side didn't see Trump as legit president as well." Again that is Fox News lie. Heck Hillary conceded the election! What can you possibly be thinking?

Fox News is rated as Mixed accuracy which is mediocre. I gave two Very High accuracy sources that debunked this false claim. You don't watch left-biased media. You don't know what you are talking about.

 

I'm interested in many things; what are you offering to do about it? GOPota had many, many chances to work with Dems "around shared policy goals". Immigration/border enforcement (they were offered money for Trump's stupid wall in exchange for status for Dreamers they don't even claim to be against)? Elections reform? Or how about police reform without poison pills? My God, man, your party just voted against raising the debt ceiling (in other words, they came out against America being able to pay for its obligations, as long as Dems get to set policy they ran and won on). Remember, Dems provided votes for the debt ceiling, even while GOPs continued to pile on deficit with the tax cut for the wealthy.

My question to you is: are you willing to punish your party for this level of misbehavior and their absolute rejection of any kind of bipartisanship? Because if you aren't (and you aren't, be honest), you're not really in favor of "organizing coalitions around shared policy goals". Vast majority of the GOP electorate don't want that either.

 

What is so hilarious about this discussion is that it is obvious to everyone that watches left-biased news that Lerner doesn't know what he is talking about when he says things like the left was arguing for years that Trump was not legitimately elected. When I first called him on this he said just search there are thousands of examples.

 

All that would be left would be a puddle of slightly orange sweat covered by what looks like a huge hair clog.

 

The question is:
Am I pushing the rock up the hill and it's rolling back every day or am I just pushing the rock and it never moves?

 

The answer is that it doesn't matter; a distinction without a difference. The outcome is the same either way, and it never changes.

 

Not necessary so.
You interpret things differently.
What do you need more? When top Democrat - Presidential Candidate is blaming elections loss on Russia stealing ?
I watched the left attacks former President Trump non stop, on the left media all 4 + years.
Once he called them fake news they went after him with a vengeance.

I know what I saw.
Yes, you going to blame Fox news, but a seen this on left media.

 

Interpretation has nothing to do with it.

Clinton conceded the election to Trump. She never claimed what you falsely claimed she said which was that Trump's election was not legitimate.

You can't find one example of someone on the left claiming that Trump's election was not legitimate. You falsely claimed there were thousands of examples. You can't present one. Note, even IF you presented one, it would NOT prove that the left was claiming for years that Trump's election was not legitimate. It is not a matter of interpretation it is a matter of truth and honesty. It would only prove that one person was being delusional even if you found a few people saying that. Your assertion about the left claiming that Trump's election was not legitimate is false. Trying to change the subject to the left saying that Trump was a very poor president is just being dishonest and claiming that it means they meant to say that Trump was not elected legitimately is just dishonest.

I presented two Very High accuracy medias sourced articles debunking your lie.

You are just gaslighting.

 

Well, shit what happened? I thought I rolled that rock up to the top of the hill yesterday. Look at that rock, it is somehow back at the bottom of the hill in the exact same place this morning?? Hmmm, I'm rolling it back up to the top of the hill, finally, I'm almost done now!!

 

"Rollin' rollin' rollin'...."

 

Hillary Clinton dismissed President Trump as an “illegitimate president” and suggested that “he knows” that he stole the 2016 presidential election in a CBS News interview.
Clinton was asked whether it angers her that none of the current Democratic candidates invoke her on the campaign trail while Trump’s rally crowds still break out into “lock her up” chants.

“No, it doesn’t kill me because he knows he’s an illegitimate president,” she said. “I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did.”

In June, former president Jimmy Carter used similar language to diminish Trump’s presidency. Carter said that in his view Trump lost the 2016 election and was put in office by the Russians. Asked if he considered Trump to be illegitimate, Carter said, “Based on what I just said, which I can’t retract.”

late Rep. John Lewis, D-Ga., planned to skip Trump's inauguration because he regarded him as an "illegitimate president."

Lewis was not alone. Dozens of house Dem's followed his example in 2017 and did not attend the inauguration, and a 2017 poll found 68% of Democratic voters did not accept Trump as legitimately elected, citing Russian election meddling.

Paul Krugman
@paulkrugman
Seriously: how will this presidency ever be considered legitimate? And what happens to America when it isn't?

9:37 AM · Jan 7, 2017·Twitter Web Client

Paul Krugman
@paulkrugman
And totally justified. At this point we arguably do not have a legitimate president or administration. 1/


Paul Krugman
@paulkrugman
And in that case, how can anyone consider this presidency legitimate? Very, very scary -- and could happen within days 6/
1:43 PM · Oct 28, 2017·Twitter Web Client

 

Hillary Clinton conceded the election to Donald Trump.

As I've mentioned perhaps dozens of times finding one example does not prove your false statement true. Your statements are not that there is one or that there are a few on the left that have claimed that Trump was not legitimately elected. Your statement is much broader that the left in general says that Trump was not a legitimately elected president.

Your examples of people not showing up at an inauguration somehow proving they are secretly saying he was illegitimate is just as false and irrelevant as the claim that because people think he was a bad president is the same as saying he was illegitimately elected.

I have produced two Very High accuracy media sources that debunk your lie.

 

Agree, Dem's conceded. Its a tradition that should be kept and they did it even do practically did everything to unseat the former president Trump.
This was new additional example, examples in addition to what was posted in the past.
There is more and it proves the point about Dem's questioning legitimacy of 2016 elections.

 

Yeah. Another tradition maybe worth keeping is to not go and physically threaten local elections officials and workers based on outrageous lies. Or maybe not to lie, period.
Noticed something about links you brought? These are various center-Left people expression their opinion, based on data that is TRUE. Russia did try to help Trump by spreading lies, going as far as burning high-value asset like Assange. Freaking Deripaska was involved. All of this is TRUE; at all times, NO mainstream Democrat EVER questioned the fact Trump was legally and factually elected. NOT A SINGLE ONE. Trump, on the other hand, made the whole GOP repeat LIES debunked by courts 62 times and counting, undermining the very FOUNDATION of America. You are justifying GOP behavior by bringing up Dem behavior that bears NO resemblance to what's going on.
Not even a little bit. In fact, if you had any concern for the truth and civility and all those nice American things, you would not DREAM of VOTING for Donald Trump - on the basis of him undermining legitimacy of Barack Obama based on a stupid, false, criminal, irresponsible racist Birther cr@p. That thing alone should have disqualified that turd of a man from any position where anyone not paid by him would take him seriously (and that includes playing a fictional big shot on The Apprentice). Yet you are accusing Dems of things that 1. they are 100% innocent of, and 2. you DEMONSTRABLY do not give two figs about, based on stated political position. How do you look at yourself in the mirror after you spew stuff like this? How?

 

BTW Lerner the following is not worthy of discussion beyond my last response. I thought I should just add that it is unclear from any of the following part of your post what was the actual source and what was paraphrased by you or perhaps the reporter. For future reference please try to organize your posts with links to make this clear

 

I would not be able to respond any better to this than Stanislav.

 

Opinions based on what Dem's said on TV interviews or other media.
So you may not like or disagree with the opinion, but you can also listen or read a transcript of the source.
We are bombarded with opinions over the media.

 

Your non-answer is the answer.
So, not a damn thing to punish your GOP obstructionist politicians. You will continue to reward GOP extremism with your vote; in other words, your wish for "organizing coalitions around shared policy goals" is a lie.
Now, is this an "opinion" or a fact?

 

You have little clue what Dems said on TV interviews. You have even less clue whether or not the left considered Trump's election legitimate. You don't watch left-biased media. I do. I never saw anyone claiming that. All I've seen is pundits on Fox News showing clips of Dems taken out of context and then lying about what the Dems are saying. You don't know what you're talking about. You just believe what ever lies they say on Fox News about what the left is saying. And you continue to ignore the fact that I produced two Very High accuracy media source articles debunking your lie. All you have produced is some Twitter comments from some unknown! Goddamn TWITTER comments. <Shakes head in disbelief>