What a world we live in...Segregated Dorm For Black People!

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  1. b4cz28

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    On the other hand, perhaps students who go to college to actually learn things appreciate there being a containment area for SJWs?
     
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    Seems unnecessary, but people should be able to associate by whatever criteria they like (see how the dorm is supposed to include "allies"). I'm obviously not a black nationalist, and don't particularly like the ideology, but can see where they're coming from. Separate dorm doesn't feel the most efficient or appropriate use of resources to me, but I'm not in Boulder or looked too deeply into reasoning. And I'm willing to bet Steve or b4 didn't either.

    Okay. CU Boulder may be a postracial nirvana for all I know. The problem is, we right here in Toronto are supposed to be a postracial nirvana as well. Yet, people yelled "go back to China" at Olivia Chow (a Hong Kong-born prominent politician) during official Mayoral debates in 2014. So yeah, I get trying to pretend a problem doesn't exist (which is practically Canadian national sport along with hockey), yet it really does.

    It just occurred to me: Olivia Chow in 2014 was basically Toronto municipal version of Hillary Clinton: eminently qualified left-wing party royalty, widow of a beloved national politician ("Smiling" Jack Layton of the NDP); a presumed front-runner trounced in the actual elections. Except in this case voters flocked to to a presumably "reasonable centrist" as a more "realistic" alternative to the Ford dynasty. The fact that John Tory is a super white privileged blueblood is I'm sure just a coincidence. Isn't it?

    I sense a pattern in candidates that appeal to me.
     
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    I've read the arguments from the cultural far left for separatism before. They exceeded my hypocrisy threshold.
     
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    I don't have opinion on these and do not identify as "far" anything. I just see parallels to nationalist movements (Ukraine, Ireland, Israel, every country and national group not leading their own empire); the resulting ideology is often unpleasant, but issues the movements respond to are all too real. I'm not pro black or other minority separation, and am a big fan of the "one nation, indivisible" and very pro strong Union. Yet if it keeps electing Trumps (not just on federal level), you can't blame folks for certain overreaction.

    Isn't it better to try addressing divisions through gradual progress; you know, the center left way (Democrats or Liberals)?
     
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    What next, do we go back to segregated bathrooms and water fountains?

    Civil Rights pioneers like Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks must be doing pinwheels in their graves.
     
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    Enforced Segregation?

    You can't make this stuff up. Concerned Colorado taxpayers should complain to their legislators that their taxpayer dollars should not be used for segregation.
     
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    I don't think of you as "far" anything either, especially in that regard. What you write here strikes me as you say, center-left.

    The best way is through recognizing that the basis of forming opinions about others should exclusively be the individual rather than the ethnic or other demographic group. I would agree, however, that that doesn't preclude understanding how individuals might have been disadvantaged on account of such group.
     
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    I tell others ever day that the left is pushing right back into the sugar cane. I ask this and I doubt any liberal white person on this board will answer, would this be ok for a group of white people to do?
     
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    Would it? Judging from your "what is diversity?" thread, you seem to be unsure yourself.
    At any rate, and regardless of what you think about the development, there is a clear distinction between black and white nationalisms, in that these two groups do not have the same position in society. I don't think you don't know that.
     
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    Things are not that simple. Martin Luther King would be very much on the left wing now, but would probably regard things like this as silly and counterproductive. On the other hand, civil rights pioneers like Malcolm X (but not just him), at least at some point in their careers, would argue for even more radical black separatism. I imagine that both would be puzzled that a public university is doing this.
    You guys seem intent on ignoring problems that lead to solutions (no matter how wrong) like this one.
     
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    Just because you can explain why a poor decision is made doesn't mean that it's not a poor decision and doesn't mean it shouldn't called out as one.
     
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    Just because a problem leads people to poor decisions doesn't mean you can ignore the problem, or blame people who complain about it. Dude, can't you see this is used for scoring cheap points by a self-proclaimed "conservative" side?
     
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    Is governmental imposed segregation legal in the United States?

    Two questions come to mind:

    1. Is it legal for a public university to segregate blacks away from other races with tax dollars?

    2. Is it legal to create a white-only facility with tax dollars?
     
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    My take:
    1. The university would argue that "black-identified" refers to cultural leaning rather than race (and they do include "allies"). Which makes sense, but may or may not withstand legal scrutiny. After all, HBCUs like Florida A&M are "black-identified" institutions but do not discriminate officially (and, in fact, do admit white students - I know one alumnus, and my close friend attended FAMU until they botched her transfer credit, so she graduated from TESC instead).
    2. No, and eww.

    Separate question is whether it's a good idea to create facilities like these - especially with tax dollars. I lean towards "no". Then again, nepotism is a bad idea also, but "when the President does it, it is not illegal", right?
     
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    What are SJWs?
     
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    "Social Justice Warriors"... I guess it used to refer to certain class of left-wing folly, but more often than not it's just a slur word to label any activist for a cause you do not care about (usually in the general area of minority rights).
     
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    That's not what I'm doing.

    Sure, but they get to do that when they're right.
     
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    Black peoples in the USA need to stop putting their eggs in one basket. I am an outsider, but it makes no sense when black voters vote 90% plus for one party. Black voters need to have politicians of all stripes earned their votes, if blacks as a voting block are to have significant influence on policies. The Clintons as one example were able to used black voters propensity to vote democratic for the Clintons' financial and political benefits. In exchange black communities get more bad policies that further keep them down.
     
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