Vancouver University

Haven't I read elsewhere that the case was merely delayed by lack of availability of a judge to hear the case and the case was never heard and no judgement ever issued.

If anyone was interested enough, they could have obtained a written judgement. I believe all trials are taped.

When I successfully argue parking tickets etc. on constitutional grounds in provincial court, the lowest level, the judge usually writes his decision because he thinks an appeal is likely. When I lose - guilty $75.00 - without an explanation.

I suspect any decision of a provincial supreme court (in Alberta - the Court of Queens Bench) would be written and available if, in fact, a judgement was rendered.

 

I can't speak for BC either, but in the United States court cases are intitiated by filing pleadings which result in a file being created and a number being assigned. If a court makes a judgement, that judgement is recorded and is part of the formal record of that case. Superior court files are public records unless placed under seal, and copies of the judgement are available through the appropriate superior court clerk's office.

Appellate decisions are published, but that doesn't imply that decisions of the lower courts aren't recorded.

As does your latest post, Mr. "Racer".

Why?

Perhaps you should stop pretending to be a third party and present a coherent and credible defence of what your school is doing.

 

Perhaps we need a new term for degrees from VU and its ilk?

"Non-academic degrees" ??

 

Cacademic degrees?

 

How about all RA schools place a seal on their degrees with the name of the appropiate U. S. Accrediting Body along with the phrase...Approved By the U. S. Dept of Education for Higher Learning." The only other accredited schools that could use this type of seal currently would be the DETC schools, since the USDOE does recognize them.

Every other school, regardless if one calls them a mill, substandard, low standard, no standard, state approved, bogus accredited, etc. could not use this type of seal, nor could they use the phrase..."Approved by the U. S. Department of Education for Higher Learning" without possible punitive action. No other accrediting agency could use that phrase.

You "elevate" the RA degree, without necessarily denigrating the NA degrees. Especially those from institutions that are seriously working on/towards their "approved" accreditation.
No seal, no recognized U. S. accreditation. No need for every employer in the world to understand at a graduate level the intricacies of the world of accreditation. Seal on degree, verfiy transcripts, and you are RA.

It may be wieldy, but it is just a thought. This still does not answer for other holes in the systems, but it is a start.

 

I love quoting myself.

Searched the BC Supreme Court website for Vancouver University and found nothing.

My guess and it is only a guess. The BC Attorney General applied for a summary injunction and the judge believing that were grounds for a defense refused to grant it without a trial.

The province probably then decided to firm up the law before going to trial. That would explain the reason for no judgement and brand new legislation.

 

Dear Mr. or Ms. Racer

2 1/2 years ago, I had a very long communication by Email with someone who worked at or for VU. Extremely reminiscent of your writing -- style and content.

I really do not wish to get into a detailed communication at this time with someone who does not disclose a name or affiliation. To me, it is like sitting at a Starbucks having an important conversation with someone who is sitting inside a large opaque sack, and speaking through a voice synthesizer.

If you would like to identify yourself and your interest in or connection with VU, I will be pleased to continue here.

Sincerely, John Bear

 

First of all, I have no connection whatsoever to Vancouver University or any related entities or persons. I'm sure they have found my inquiries to be as annoying as some of y'all seem to have found my posts here.

In response to one of those inquiries I just received the following from Li-Kuan Tham, who is both VU's Registrar and Board Secretary:

One of life's little ironies: It looks like the PPSEC will be out of business before VU is. Perhaps there is some justice in this world.

 

I don't believe that.

You obviously are passionate about this subject, you are in close communication with VU, you serve as their mouthpiece here, you appear to already have a history with John Bear, your convoluted writing style is very similar to the text on the VU website and your fake initials 'RR' are suggestive.

Let me ask you three questions:

First, what legal authority permits VU to grant degrees? Please try to answer this question in one short paragraph, and not in one of your incomprehensible essays.

Second, what outside quality assurance procedures has VU undergone that might serve to reassure us regarding its academic standard? Who has examined VU, what kind of examination was it, and what was the result?

Third, what kind of professional or academic accomplishments or recognition can VU point to? I'm interested in publications by VU scholars, presentations at academic conferences, favorable references by professional and academic organizations, grants and awards won, and so on.

It seems to me that VU is lacking, perhaps fatally lacking, on all three counts.

If you like this school so much, defend it.

 

1. This isn't Bear's site.

2. It is futile to continue a conversation/debate with someone who refuses to identify him/herself.

3. Either Vancouver University meets the standards set forth for recognized Canadian universities or it does not. With all of this debate, I think not.

 

Sorry pal, wrong guy. No connection to Rolls Royce or Richard Ramirez either. Despite your razor-sharp mind and keen powers of observation and deduction you have reached an erroneous conclusion. Might be a good idea to get your facts straight before you jump on the bandwagon. Dr. Bear may not always be here to tell you what to think and say.

 

The three questions I asked you still need answers:

First, what legal authority permits VU to grant degrees? Please try to answer this question in one short paragraph, and not in one of your incomprehensible essays.

Second, what outside quality assurance procedures has VU undergone that might serve to reassure us regarding its academic standard? Who has examined VU, what kind of examination was it, and what was the result?

Third, what kind of professional or academic accomplishments or recognition can VU point to? I'm interested in publications by VU scholars, presentations at academic conferences, favorable references by professional and academic organizations, grants and awards won, and so on.

If you don't like people calling VU a mill, then give us some reason to believe that it isn't one.

 

Funny thing. Spokespersons, official or unofficial, for real universities don't exhibit this level of snottiness: implying that a lawsuit is just around the corner for criticizing their institution, accusing critics of being dupes of some third party (Bear, in this case), and condescending use of vulgarisms like "y'all" and "pal" (perhaps on the notion that this is how Americans speak).

I actually looked at VU's website before this thread started, and was amused at the level of touchiness in much of its text. In a fit of Christian charity (fear not, it passed quickly)
I thought that perhaps they had been picked on by authorities, so that the bravado of the website was a defensive reaction rather than the kind of verbal aggression associated with many, many proprietors of undoubted degree mills.

Then I read this thread, and I really must thank "R.R." for resolving my doubts and fears. All is clear now. Multumesc foarte mult!

 

Have you ever noticed...?

Have you ever noticed that all degree mills use this same argument?

Have you ever noticed that the people who most vigorously defend degree mills have "no relationship" with them?

Have you ever noticed that proponents of a degree mill (that have no relationship with that degree mill) can get paragraphs-long answers to questions seemingly overnight?

Have you ever noticed that proponents of degree mills all have serious attitude problems?

Have you ever noticed that owners of degree mills can never offer substantive answers to substantive questions?



Tom Nixon

 

Just because you say so doesn't make it so. Bill has offered reason to move the indicator towards your involvement with VU. So show him wrong. Until you do, I'm inclined to accept what Bill says.

How can he "get (his) facts straight" if you do nothing but deny them?

 

Re: Have you ever noticed...?

Why, yes. In this thread, of course.

Well put, Tom.

 

I don't think that Redlyne Racer is formally associated with Vancouver U. He/she is doing a great job of making Vancouver U. appear to be a mill by spouting the standard "mill speak."

I doubt that the Vancouver U. administration would act so stupidly.

My guess is that he/she is a student, past or present, attempting to defend his/her degree.

 

Here in Texas, at least, "y'all" is far from a condescending vulgarism.

Also, in some parts, "y'all" tends to be singular. The plural form is "all y'all."

 

RR: "Dr. Bear may not always be here to tell you what to think and say."

JB: Thank you for the use of "may not," RR. My wife, a longtime practitioner of Tibetan Buddhism, tells me that if I play my card right, and the practice of Phowa is properly done on me, then I will be around forever to tell y'all what to think and say.

Jeff: The plural of y'all is all y'all.

JB: I like it. And in Nashville, we noted the possessive, when a person at the airline ticket counter said to the people on line, "Will y'all please move to y'all's left."