Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by mbwa shenzi, Mar 9, 2016.
www dot uosla dot org, formerly known as Life University.
On the list of BPPE-approved schools, here. Therefore California-legal, unaccredited, I guess. Looking at some of the performance sheets, very small numbers of students. Am I missing something? :smile:
Well that's an interesting set of offerings...
It must be their Department of Unregulated Studies. :smile:
Yes, guys. I get the joke. But you'll note (from my link) that all those "interesting" offerings are approved by the BPPE. That doesn't say bupkis about quality, but it makes them at least legal.
So - what are we looking at, here? ...and why?
Additionally - I note that ownership/administration has several Asian names. I also checked out a couple of the faculty - real doctorates, record of work at other schools. Now, there are plenty of Korean Christians where I live, so I don't see the religious or the Asian health care options as being unusual. Maybe the school appeals largely to an Asian / Asian descent community. Business, religion and Asian traditional medicine.
Again - what am I missing?
Actually, there should have been a question about BPPE approval, so I guess it was rather my post that was missing something. Thank you for for the link.
Not that it matters? but when I googled the school the first listing was the old site, lifeuniv.whatever. It's a different site with essentially the same content. It's interesting to me that they have their own clinic offering herbal therapy, acupuncture, etc. I don't know much about these things but anything healthcare oriented is usually pretty much strictly regulated so whatever the laws are in California it seems they are inside them.
As there is likely a large number of DI members, who would appreciate the opportunity to earn reasonably-priced 100% BPPE-legal degrees in religion, business, traditional Asian healthcare - or perhaps degrees in all three disciplines, I would never stand in their way or dissuade them from this or ANY other legally authorized school under the warm California sun. Clearly, I have no right - or inclination - to do so.
I suppose that if I had a degree in Asian Medicine I could open some little store that sells herbs and stuff. I don't know what the laws are in my neighborhood about such things. Do you need a license to sell stuff like that? I know people use acupuncture for lots of things. Do you need a license for that? I like the pictures of people lying there with all those needles in them. Especially when they have those clumps of burning stuff on the ends.
Well, I sometimes like the thought of certain people lying there with needles in them... :sgrin: I name no names.
Seriously, yes - you need a license for acupuncture. California is, as often, pretty much unique - it requires its own license, basically issued through the Acupuncture Board, Department of Consumer Affairs. Welcome to the State of California Acupuncture Board
Most other states require you to pass exams from the National Certification Commission for Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine. Currently 43 states and the district of Columbia require this, per the NCCAOM:
State Licensure Requirements | NCCAOM
Here's a site on Traditional Chinese Medicine. Some aspects do not require licensing in all places - e.g. herbal medicine, qi gong, etc.
Traditional Chinese Medicine Practitioner - Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM) - HealthCommunities.com
Good luck in your new career, Kizmet. Keep us posted. :smile:
Well, I can show you a very interesting list of Florida Religious exemption schools. All of those degrees are legal as well. That doesn't mean we can't make fun of them. And those Florida degrees are even more well enshrined in state law what with express permission for people to "use" the title "doctor" when awarded a degree from one of these schools.
My reason for pointing it out is that, registered or not, it's a weird mix of degrees. You have at least three study areas which just happen to be in highly marketable fields. It just reads like they decided on their degree offerings based upon search engine traffic.
Elsewhere I defended some unaccredited religious schools. Schools like this hardly support my position on that matter.
Of course it doesn't. I was just wondering aloud if I'd missed anything else significant. I'm OK, now. :smile:
Does it? Where are the courses in web-design, game-making, e-commerce and computer security, then? :smile:
There are many small proprietary schools in the Los Angeles area with similar offerings. In almost every case they are by immigrants for their own immigrant communities. This one is apparently by and for Asian immigrants who are Christians and is heavily weighted towards their interests. Hence the theology, ESL and oriental 'medicine'. The business administration is probably there because they are eager to make successes of themselves in their new country.
Exactly. My thought, too. And as Heirophant (sp?) says, not an unusual mix at all for such a school in Los Angeles area. BTW, am I wrong in expecting the forum-name to be Hierophant - i.e. an Ancient Greek priest in charge of mysteries? Just asking. :smile:
It seems a bit expensive to me, considering it's an unaccredited, State-approved school, though. There are DEAC-accredited (NA) schools a-plenty offering similar Associate and Bachelor degrees for far less - not usually any in Oriental Medicine, though.
From the 2016 USLA Catalog:
Associate of Arts in Accounting: Total cost, $14,400
Bachelor of Science in Business Administration: Total cost $27,950
To refine that statement - it's only the cost of the business degrees that concerns me. Maybe they have all kinds of students lining up and they don't need to care, but low-cost NA schools cost far less.
E.G. tuition for a Business Admin. Bachelor's at Ashworth (NA- DEAC) is 8 (semesters) x $950 = $7600 plus maybe a couple hundred in misc. fees.
For an Associates in Accounting, Ashworth charges $1089 x 4 = $4,356 and again, some extra fees. I think there is a special on now - 4th semester free on Associate degrees..
I think USLA could be in for a tough time on the business degrees. It looks like a State-approved school is charging 3+ times as much as Ashworth, a DEAC-accredited giant "Edu-Mart."
The Oriental Medicine degrees? Not that many schools offer them. They can probably do OKl in that market. The religious degrees? Again, they could do fine. People will generally go where they feel comfortable - with others of the same or a related denomination. Regardless of accreditation or lack thereof, many will shell out extra bucks to feel "comfortable" in their religious studies environment - home study OR B&M. I hope this works for USLA.
For religious studies, Nations U. is now DEAC-accredited and costs something like $500 a year. But as I just said, no single religious school suits all comers, regardless of fees or accreditation status, so... all others including USLA have a chance.
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