University of Alberta doctoral candidate asked to resubmit thesis after inclusion of Arabic script

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  1. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    University of Alberta doctoral candidate asked to resubmit thesis after inclusion of Arabic script
    https://www.universityworldnews.com/post.php?story=20220306053708909

    And by "Arabic script", they don't mean the whole monograph, or a selection of it, they just mean she wanted to include her own name in both Arabic and English scripts on the title page.
     
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  2. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    That's a yikes.
     
  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    I read the actual article. It says the university rejected it because it did not conform to formatting requirements.

    Assuming they're not singling her out because she used Arabic (as opposed to, say, Japanese), I can see their point. They supervise work done in English, not Arabic. It is not reasonable to expect that a reviewer would be able to read it, even though it purports to be just her name.

    On the other hand, it would be cool to allow every candidate to do what she did, provide her name written in her native language and an English translation underneath.

    One thing that should be avoided is some notion that she is entitled to this. She is not. While she's the writer, the university is the publisher. As such, they make the final editorial call, just as any other form of publisher.

    I'm all for it. May I use Scottish Gaelic or Middle English on my next one?:)
     
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  4. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

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    This is so cool. I love Arabic script, and this is a nice little touch. She's actually from Pakistan, so that's her actual birth name and it shouldn't be a problem.

    Here's where she loses me, however:

    "It suggests that everybody else who's not a European identity is not welcome or they have to set aside their cultural background and conform to that university culture."

    Nope.

    One day, I'm going to move to a remote island or into an inactive volcano to get away from all this "identity this" and "identity that" nonsense. I'll enjoy the peace and quiet of complete solitude for a few decades until they start projecting Twitter slacktivist hashtags on the moon. Then, I will know that no place is safe and all hope is lost.
     
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  5. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Not with you, on this one, Maniac. I'm with Sarah. I think having to remove it means exactly what she says it means. The requirement to remove that script is totally wrong. Have a ball on your island, though.

    Below: "These letters are beautiful." Arabic script, used in Urdu, as Sarah is from Pakistan. She has my deepest respect.
    یہ خطوط خوبصورت ہیں۔
     
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  6. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    So did I.

    Legally and contractually, I expect you're absolutely right that the university has the power to forbid her from including her own non-transliterated name on her own dissertation. But all that does is bring to mind G.K. Chesterton's observation that "To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it."

    If it were a passage in the actual text, I would understand the objection. But this is such a petty way of treating their own student, and the optics are so bad, that I really don't understand why university decision makers would choose to die on this particular hill.
     
  7. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Steve, you took the trouble to address the first part of my post, but ignored the second where I agree with your point, that it would be cool to allow candidates to do it.
     
  8. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    What particularly dismays me is that this occurred here in Canada. That's not what my Canada is about. I don't think it's Justin's idea of his Canada either. Maybe I should ask him. Seriously.
     
  9. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Speaking of people who should be isolated on a remote island or in an inactive volcano...
     
  10. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Yes, I probably should. But Justin...?
     
  11. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    This is a sad situation.

    I included two Patois phrases in my dissertation (at the bottom of the Dedication page and the bottom of the Acknowledgment page). I'm sure my Committee couldn't understand it, but no one asked me to remove it.
     
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  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That's fair. I didn't mean anything by it; I was trying to be brief, and yes, I'm glad we agree.
     
  13. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    This reminds me that a woman born in France, educated to the Bachelor's degree level in France, in French, came to Quebec to do her PhD. She completed that PhD and it was accepted by the university. One of the 5 chapters was written in English, because it was published in an English-language journal. The school accepted that. The Quebec Immigration Ministry decided that was proof she did not have sufficient command of French and denied her immigration. (She also completed a test of French-language proficiency in her immigration journey, but that wasn't enough.)

    https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/french-thesis-immigration-caq-1.5351155
     
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  14. chris richardson

    chris richardson Active Member

    I am sadly not if the view it had anything to do with formatting, it is however very "on script" for Alberta.

    Saying as a Canadian.
     
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  15. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    ...Q...Q...Quoi? Immigration Ministry? Should a province have one? Québec is still "La Belle Province," not "Le Beau Pays," n'est-ce pas? Au moins, pas encore. (At least, not yet.)

    Sounds like the same Language Gestapo (or were they Stasi?) that sent officers into Montreal's Chinatown with orders to remove all Chinese-language signs. Thankfully, that turned out to be a non-starter. Québec is a wonderful and lively province - and I've always been well-treated there, but things like this... que c'est affreux! (How awful!)
     
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  16. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Surprisingly the BBC has better background on this particular wrinkle than the CBC:

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-50241254

    I like learning French, it's a beautiful language and the Quebecers deserve to have their unique place in Canada protected and respected but sometimes it veers into the nonsensical (like the case above or this one where they tried to ban pasta from an Italian restaurant's menu: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/mar/01/quebec-language-police-ban-pasta)
     
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  17. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Amusingly, the provincial legislature is called the "National Assembly of Quebec".
     
  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Dustin quoted: "Quebec has a special agreement on immigration with Canada's federal government and has broad powers in the selection of immigrants. A potential immigrant must obtain a "selection certificate" from the province before they can apply for permanent residence with the federal government."

    So, in this case you need Provincial approval to apply for a Federal status? And here I thought that all Canadians were equal under the law... Je suis très déçu! (I am very disappointed.)
     
  19. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Yes, Justin. I have a suitable replacement lined up.

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    This one boasts functionally equivalent governance, but without the smarm, cronyism and unearned air of moral superiority.
     
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  20. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Okay, but that guy doesn't send me money. Justin sends me lots - why, today he bought me a brand-new sewing machine. He's bought me 5 of my 8 guitars, paid for my fashion course, even enabled me to make charitable donations... all from those "extras." It's like a series of lottery wins!

    I must confess - I do NOT know those guys in the picture. Who are they? You're talking to a guy who shut off his TV years ago and hasn't been to a movie theatre in over 20 years. A "Netflix Virgin!"
     
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