Unaccredited degrees accepted in Australia ...

Todays Australian Higher Education supplement has an article that won't weaken Greenwich's case ...

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,5429125%255E12333,00.html

In summary:

Deakin accepts Pacific Western University degrees;
Charles Sturt also accepts PWU degrees;
Adelaide University also - PWU degrees [I posted the article recently]
Australian Catholic University accepts Kensington degrees

Ironical disclosure when the Government is hammering Greenwich over its failure to meet the quality standards

Wait for further news ... the word is out that Walsh hasn't lost his legal skills

 

Refresh me Peter. From which school did he obtain these legal skills?

 

Re: Re: Unaccredited degrees accepted in Australia ...

Not from CPU - that is where he got his doctorate.

To be admitted to the Bar requires an Australian LLB or = same as for Accounting, Engineering etc. - the accreditation is the professional association/registration board in these cases, so [a] a foreign degree poses a series of problems, and non GAAP PhD would not assist in any way.

Just done some 'research' and have found that 70% of accounting/legal academics have Masters degrees only, and 50% in Education without doctorates. These people supervise Doctoral students very effectively, so how would a US DE doctoral student at and Australian school go having a supervisor who had a traditional GAAP masters and a nontraditional non-GAAP doctorate?

Could be fun

 

Isn't this the same, vaulted system (the AQF) that only recognizes about 250 or so RA schools? And those schools admit THAT crud?

 

Dennis, re Greenwich owner John Walsh of Brannagh: "Refresh me Peter. From which school did he obtain these legal skills?"

John: I believe his law degree is from the University of Melbourne. For many years, he was quite a well-known high-profile lawyer in Australia, sort of in the Melvin Belli or F. Lee Bailey mold.

 

Yep ...

Every school makes its own assessment [as in US] - you are quoting the NOOSR rules, but they are guidelines only and NOT mandatory.

Someone referred me to a set of PhD entry rules today ... without directly quoting where and what, let's say they have provision to be 'flexible' also ... maybe a bit like the UK system where, if a certain senior lecturer doesn't have a doctorate ... well ... one day they do - in house and by publication - what is THAT worth?

Clearly there is what the Vice Chancellors DECIDE together as a Committee, and what the DO apart - a bit like the preacher - 'Thou shalt NOT commit adultery...' '... [with my mistress, wife or daughter]...'

Anyway, it won't weaken the resolve of Walsh, Barrister at Law.

 

Deakin defended their guy by pointing out that his research productivity was equal to that of real PhD.s.

One good thing: "The Australian" knows the difference between "flaunt" and "flout."

 

One day all unaccredited University degrees will be accepted everywhere !

 

Hamburger U.

Perhaps all of Post Secondary is becoming homoginized, to a greater of lesser extent. What I see as fastinating is the larger and larger role non-accredited vocationally oriented Corporate Schools play in educating the working masses. Many of these schools offer internal certifications. I have noticed a trend on many of the job boards that even candidates with graduate degrees also list the training they've taken at corporate schools. Heck, I just spoke with a candidate that claimed she had graduated from "Hamburger U". It made me hungry and I had to grab an early lunch. To sum it up acceptance is tentative, but the number of unaccredited schools seems to be gaining wider market-share.

 

Eh?

Quite a provactive contribution!

Are you trying to get this topic moving?

Don't waste your time as:

[1] my topics never really move here
[2] it doesn't concern Americans or American education
[3] this group is primarily about the US and US education

 

Re: Eh?

Dont forget Peter -

[4] You are a bullshit artist.

Cheers,

George

 

Re: Re: Eh?

Seeya in 2 weeks.

 

Re: Eh?

Please learn English atleast for being a Lecturer !

 

Why should he learn English? He lectures in Strine. Provactively, I'm sure.

 

The relevant question regarding these Australian university faculty is whether they were hired simply on the basis of their non-accredited American degrees, or whether they were hired on the basis of other qualifications and only acquired the suspect degree in order to increase their pay grade and make them strutting swaggering "doctors" too.

My opinion is that a non-accredited degree shouldn't necessarily be disqualifying, unless it comes from a fraudulent degree mill. But since the non-accredited university that issued the degree didn't have to meet any credible standards, the degree doesn't mean very much either. It's just a piece of paper.

Of course, the dissertation that the student wrote to get it might be a very valuable piece of work, the faculty the student studied with might be impressive, and stuff like published papers and other previous accomplishments would have to be factored in.

My point being that if the degree isn't credible, then the necessary level of accomplishment needs to be demonstrated in other ways.

Walsh hasn't been very successful so far. He failed to create a legitimate fully-recognized university. Settling for an iffy Hawaii state-licensed school, he did perhaps fatal damage to its credibility by chasing across the Pacific in search of spurious "accreditation" loopholes.

He may be a legendary barrister, but it seems to me that by challenging an entire nation's educational establishment and by telling it in effect to "stop me if you can", he has put himself in an unviable situation.

It's as if this is all a scene from a Greek tragedy. The word that comes to mind is 'hubris'.

 

Re: Re: Unaccredited degrees accepted in Australia ...

Contrary to the apparent procedures in US, our pay scales directly relate to the level of appointment, through all education - K-doctorate. We don't go for doctorates for any remuneration purpose - it doesn't work that way.

A simple example, repeated in many universities and faculties, Kent the head of History at UNE has an MA, but the greater majority of his staff have PhD's from top and international schools. You'll rarely find anyone on the K-12 arena with a doctorate, and not many more with masters.

The pay scale depends of the job you get, and that depends on your record - publications maybe, general reputation - and in short who you know.

As I have said before it is not uncommon to find a doctoral supervisor without a doctorate - one of the notables in my field has a BComm[Hon] and has been a regular visiting professor any top US and UK universities.

So to find out why these people got their doctorates, you'd have to ask them. Clearly they didn't need them as such.

The bottom line in all fo this is, that Universities have one rule for their staff, andanother for their opposition [Greenwich]. Maybe that is OK? ... in any event it doesn't strengthen the case against greenwich, and it doesn't weaken Greenwich's case does it? I am not taking any sides in this - just smiling form the sidelines.

 

Yabbut Strine unis answer their *&#$@@)*^% e-mail!