U.S. Has 3.5 Million More Registered Voters Than Living Adults - Electoral Red Flag

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  1. me again

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    U.S. Has 3.5 Million More Registered Voters Than Live Adults - A Red Flag For Electoral Fraud | Zero Hedge
     
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    Semi-nomadic college students are ripe for voter fraud.
     
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    And whoever is convincing impressionable young minds to do that has the greater culpability.
     
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    Another article from Tyler Durden at Zero Hedge? *moves along*
     
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    SteveFoerster, thank you for pointing out the two errors:

    1. First, in the first post in this thread, an incorrect author's name (Tyler Durden) was attributed to the story. The real author is Deroy Murdock.

    2. Second, an incorrect original source (Zero Hedge) was attributed to the story. The original source is National Review.

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    Election Fraud? Registered Voters Outnumber the Eligible, in 462 Counties | National Review

    SteveFoerster, thank you for the clarification.
     
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    I'm not convinced that's precisely true. I do think that there is increasingly persuasive evidence that many counties (Judicial Watch says that they have already found 462) that have numbers of registered voters that exceed the Census Department's estimates of voting age citizens in those particular counties.

    It certainly looks suspicious. There may be a (relatively) innocent explanation, such as voter rolls that have never been cleansed of voters who have died or moved somewhere else. Or maybe there are systematic errors in the Census Department's estimates, underestimating citizen populations and inflating immigrant populations for whatever reason.

    Even if many of these 'ghost voters' are legitimate US citizens who happen to no longer live in these particular counties but were formerly legally registered to vote there and still appear on the rolls, I'd like to know what percentage of them are still shown as voting recently in those old precincts. (And if that's happening, who is casting their votes?)

    Here in California, where these kind of 'ghost voters' are particularly abundant and where an extraordinarily large percentage of the resident population aren't citizens, where voter registration is entirely an honor system and 'are you a US citizen?' is just check-the-box, where nobody is ever prosecuted for lying on their voter registrations and where any suggestion of voters having to show ID when voting is totally anathema, I'd guess that large numbers (potentially millions) of non-citizens are registered and are illegally voting.

    Given that immigrant citizens tend to vote disproportionately Democratic, we can easily understand why there is so much political opposition to any sort of voter ID laws and why even mentioning the phenomenon attracts so much hostility.
     
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    Thank you for understanding and making my point. I believe that if anyone bothered to check they would find my name on the voting list in three states. Maybe it expires at some point, I don't know. It doesn't mean I'm committing voter fraud. There are several common sense reasons why voter rolls might be inaccurate. It doesn't mean there's some big conspiracy to take over the country. Jumping to that conclusion is paranoia.
     
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    I'm not paranoid, I'm a New Yorker. Of course there is voter fraud.
     
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    Of course it happens. I don't think anyone would say that there's never been a single incidence . . . like many other things, it's a matter of degree. Trump made that ridiculous statement after the election, offered no proof whatsoever, and it has been denied/discredited by anyone who might actually have access to relevant data.
    BTW - As I understand it, the people least likely to admit to some paranoid thinking are people who are truly paranoid.
     
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    Going back some decades, the Mob fee for putting up a skyscraper in Manhattan was one million dollars. For that you got labor peace and timely delivery of materiel.
     
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    "some 3.5 million more people are registered to vote in the U.S. than are alive among America's adult citizens. Such staggering inaccuracy is an engraved invitation to voter fraud."

    The article only suggests that these data errors leave a gaping loophole for fraud to happen, not necessarily that it means that widescale fraud is actually taking place. The question in my mind is- do current systems in place check votes against one another to avoid duplication? My slightly educated, but admittedly incomplete and speculative, guess would be no. At least not on a national scale.

    BTW, since roughly half the eligible population does not vote, it's possible that the 3.5 million is a deceptively small number. We should be considering how many voter registrations there are VS how many registered voters. That is, if the way I just phrased that makes any sense, and it does to me at least :moon:
     
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    Track the registered voters that hadn't voted for some years and vote in their names.

    Our union chairman wanted to run for office in his district, in Queens, and needed so many signatures to do so. I came in to work and a few guys wanted me to sign three different names on three different pages of a ledger to allow him to run. I declined.
     
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    Mmmm. Anecdotal evidence of a crooked NYC union boss. I don't know about anyone else but, personally, I'm shocked!:shocked: I'm sure you did your civic duty and reported the whole affair to the Police.
     
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    JFK Airport had police, local to federal, up the wahooley and that didn't dent the preoccupation of my coworkers, theft. That I also declined and it's a wonder that I survived despite some interesting moments. Some Customs guys raided our digs and came up dry because loot was kept in unassigned lockers.

    Those were the Goodfellas years and it was a couple of years before all were satisfied that I wasn't a cop.

    Going to the authorities meant getting the third degree with nothing else done. If I'd been inclined to go to the authorities, and I wasn't, then what proof would I have brought? And...ask yourself if this crap would be happening if those authorities were themselves clean.
     
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    That sort of argument, "...everyone is doing it..." would seem to be a variant of "The Bandwagon" combined with the idea of "don't rock the boat"

    Fallacies in arguments
    Urban Dictionary: rock the boat
     
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    Not serving myself up as sacrifice to an indifferent or hostile bureaucracy lies outside of your fallacies.

    OTOH, it might be amusing to have Stanislav set up a podium near the Kremlin to expose the malfeasance of the Putin government.
     
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    It must be difficult to live in a place where bad things are happening wherever you look.
     
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    I wouldn't know about that but there are things I do know.
     

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