Trump won less than 50 Percent. Why is everyone calling it a landslide?

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  1. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    They were obviously hoping that Republicans that are against insurrectionist would vote for Harris. If it worked, unfortunately, it didn't work well enough. :D
     
  2. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    The Devil is sick; the Devil a monk would be.
     
  3. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    I have a combination of opinions here that might not often be heard from the same speaker.

    It was a good choice for the Harris campaign to campaign prominently with Liz Cheney. She's one of the highest profile Never Trump conservatives, maybe the highest profile to convert from Trump skeptic to full Never Trump after January 6.

    Directly, her work on the January 6 committee impressed many. Implicitly, her presence reminds everyone that many pre-Trump-era conservatives are Trump skeptic or Never Trump, without her being responsible herself for political decisions of the Bush era. Bigger name Trump skeptics like Romney and Pence weren't available to campaign directly for Harris.

    But also:

    It was a mistake for the combination of the Harris campaign, Democratic Party, and Biden-Harris administration not to engage more extensively with the Democratic-coalition activists for humanitarian relief for Palestinians. In particular, they should have accepted the movement's entreaties to let a Palestinian American speaker speak to this issue, diplomatically but certainly, at the DNC podium.
     
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  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I like the thoughts presented. It's hard for me to say. I don't think campaigning with Cheney hurt Harris. It had to have helped some but I don't know how much. I think the main problem was that Trump activated his base similar to the level in the 2020 election but Democrats fell millions of voters short of of their 2020 level of activated voters. I assume those Democratic voters that voted in 2020 but not in 2024 were activated more by being against Trump than by being for Biden.

    Regarding the Palestinian point, I agree with the sentiment and personally would have liked that. My hesitation though is an assumption that the Democratic political experts must have weighed the positive of picking up votes from Palestinian sympathizers against the negative of maybe losing some votes with Israeli sympathizers. It's a tough call and I assume that they had some polling/analysis to support their decision that we're not privy to?
     
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  5. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    Sounds like a failure of imagination from those Democratic analysts and officials. It did not have to be a zero-sum game.
     
  6. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    I certainly can't speak for anyone but myself however I suspect putting some pressure on Netanyahu to stop the killing wouldn't have cost that much support among the non-Orthodox Jewish community.

    There hasn't been much support for any Israeli right wing government since it became clear that the settlements would continue to grow and be subsidized. The community came together in the immediate aftermath of the barbarous Hamas attack but once the ultimate goal of the government became clear a lot of that support melted away.

    In the US, it's the Evangelical Christians who seem to support the genocide, not the liberal and secular Jews.
     
    Last edited: Nov 30, 2024
  7. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    That's much too harsh of me. Unjust and probably untrue. I'm sure there are many opinions among Evangelical Christians.
     

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