Trump-Ukraine

I’m not hiding behind what others say. It always seems like there’s a need to take frustration out on someone, and once again, my words are being distorted. I keep up with the news and see what’s happening, but it leaves me feeling helpless, not knowing how to make a change. My vote, which you don’t know how I cast, felt like it had no value since my state is a solid blue one, and all the electoral votes went to the Dems.

 

Perhaps maybe stop making excuses for objectively horrible policies? Hard to see you carrying water for them like this.

 

Objective reality does not cater to emotionally charged narratives. It is indifferent, cold, and unforgiving.

A new reality (no US support) is unfolding before us, and the harsh truth is this: Ukraine has fought valiantly, enduring for three long years. But the longer this war continues, the clearer it becomes — Ukraine cannot win in any meaningful sense. The EU is not committing boots on the ground, and the odds of a decisive victory diminish with each passing day.

The question we must now ask: Is it time to salvage what remains, or are we doomed to watch a nation burn to the ground?

Ukraine is bleeding — and soon, there will be no blood left to spill.

Poland, fearing it could be next, is now drafting laws on military training and reserves. Meanwhile, the EU's response has been sluggish, more focused on purchasing Russian oil than putting meaningful pressure on Moscow.

Will another year of war improve the situation? Realistically speaking, what is the endgame here?

 

I'll reply in specific ways later, but homie, this mix of half-truths and outright lies is what "propaganda" actually is. You are a propagandist for Khuylo. I want to believe an inadvertent one. Prove me right, get better.

 

Possibly tomorrow?
US has "just about" ended pause on Ukraine intel sharing

 

Nonsense,
A good leader prioritizes the survival of his nation. He knows when to fight, and more importantly, he knows when to negotiate.
A rational leader would confront the inevitable, and make the painful but necessary choice to negotiate, this would have insured US support, intelligence and defense systems.
Now I'm not in any way qualified to make such analysis, simply some thoughts from what I observe.

 

...and in the meantime, lack of intel sharing and disabled HIMARS aiming leads to... drumroll... MORE CASULATIES both in the Armed Forces AND CIVILIANS. According to both ISW report I linked and, I dunno, NEWS of what actually happen. Now Lerner, this is what you should know: how do we call people who threatened whole populations with violence in furthering of their political goals (like just for example, "make choice to negotiate", which is so vague it can be used to frame the demands of every terrorist groups ever. Let's try it: "Hamas called for Israel to accept objective reality and come to the negotiation table or they would facilitate bombings of hotels and town squares" - fits perfectly!)? TERRORISTS. And that is true even if they have enough sway to force others to accept some of their demands (in a lovely town of Riyahd - could it be MORE symbolic?). Stop being a terror apologist while at the same time branding others terror apologists.

 

Can Russia win in any meaningful sense? Also, Ukraine cannot with without adequate support. So give adequate support.

Your "objective reality" masks the fact that it is driven by political choices you give tacit support to. As I said, deplorable. You're part of the problem - start by stopping being a part of the problem.

 

Also, it's a vision to behold how you refuse to just do a mental search/replace: "Ukraine" to "Israel" and "Russia" to "the Arab World". Would you like that? Go ahead, "negotiate", give up both territory and sovereignty for peace. Why not?

 

I think you have a problem with other views, but need a reality check.
You didn't reply on what is the end game?
I know we wish Ukraine to regain its 1991 borders. Maybe if Putin no longer in charge of what ever reason and who ever takes his place is willing to retreat.
But realistically speaking, what do you think will be negotiated?
How many more Ukrainian people need to die to continue the war?
If elections held today in Ukraine what do you think the outcome will be?
What the Ukrainian people who live in Ukraine not 1000s miles away want?

 

If you were willing to listen, you would know what Ukraine's priorities are. Security guarantees, starting with well-equipped Ukrainian Armed Forces. Continuing sanctions on Russia. Using frozen Russian assets for rebuilding.

That's easy: if, in direct violation of Ukrainian Constitution. elections were held, Zelenskyy would have easily won. His approval rating is 56%. Except if the former Armed Forces Commander-in-chief Valeriy Zaluzhnyy would run; then he would have won.

Not that much different from what people who live in Israel want, I'd wager. It is stunning how you value Israelis lives and desires so much higher that those of Ukrainians. Almost to the point of being an antisemitic caricature. Good thing that I know that Russophone Brighton Beach emigres are not representative of all Jews.

 

It is because I value Ukrainian lives that I expressed my views, you on another side 1000s miles away appear to willing sacrifice many of those Ukrainian lives.
My views have nothing to do with Russophobe Brighton Beach, more of my observations and talks to frinds in Ukraine, whos children are on front lines.

Ukraine situation is different from Israeli. Even Ukraine record of vote in UN against Israel demonstrates it.
I'm not suggesting to hold elections at this time.
I know that Ukraine will not be allowed to hold an election due to the martial law imposed amid Russia's aggression.
An election during a full-scale war is also unlikely to be democratic and competitive due to restrictions on free speech and other civil liberties.
Moreover, it would likely cause a rift in society that may jeopardize Ukraine's war effort, and it's unsafe to do it while rockets are flying and solders in trenches.
Early Feb, Zelensky had 57% approval rating.

Anyway not sure if Russia will accept but - Ukraine has accepted a US proposal for a 30-day truce.

 

Of course it is. Israel is way safer, and enjoys actual security guarantees. Remember an attack from Iran last year, and help you got from US, UK and freaking Saudi Arabia? I wish we had that.

 

Current Ukraine is too young and haven't had the time to build the type of security guaranties,
Israel had extra 50 to 60 years to get there.

1. • The U.S. maintained a strict arms embargo on Israel and Arab states during the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, forcing Israel to rely on European nations (like Czechoslovakia) for weapons.
2. 1950s – Eisenhower and U.S. Distance
   
   • 1953–1961 (President Dwight Eisenhower): The U.S. was cautious about supporting Israel too strongly due to Cold War dynamics.
   • 1956 Suez Crisis: Israel, along with Britain and France, attacked Egypt to regain control of the Suez Canal. The U.S. pressured all three to withdraw, demonstrating that Israel could not yet rely on the U.S. for unconditional support.
   • The U.S. instead focused on alliances with Arab states like Jordan and Saudi Arabia to counter Soviet influence.

The Turning Point: When Did the U.S. Get Closer to Israel?

1. 1960s – Strategic Shift Under Kennedy and Johnson
   
   • John F. Kennedy (1961–1963): First U.S. president to approve direct arms sales to Israel (Hawk anti-aircraft missiles).
   • Lyndon B. Johnson (1963–1969): After the 1967 Six-Day War, U.S. policy shifted dramatically. Israel's victory against Soviet-backed Arab states made it a key U.S. ally in the Cold War.
   • Johnson approved large-scale U.S. military aid, including Phantom fighter jets (1968), marking the beginning of deep military ties.
2. 1970s – Nixon and U.S. Military Commitment
   
   • 1973 Yom Kippur War: The U.S. launched Operation Nickel Grass, a massive airlift of weapons and supplies to Israel, cementing strategic relations.
   • 1978 Camp David Accords: The U.S., under Jimmy Carter, helped broker peace between Israel and Egypt, making Israel a cornerstone of U.S. Middle East policy.

Summary: Key Moments of Closer U.S.-Israel Ties

• 1962 – First major U.S. arms deal with Israel (Kennedy).
• 1967 – Six-Day War; Israel emerges as a key U.S. Cold War ally.
• 1973 – Yom Kippur War; U.S. military aid dramatically increases.
• 1978 – Camp David Accords; U.S. positions itself as Israel’s main diplomatic and military backer.

By the late 1970s, the U.S.-Israel alliance had solidified, leading to the deep military, economic, and political ties that continue today.