Trump Says Transgender People Will Not Be Allowed in the Military

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  1. Abner

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    Well, he sure as heck can't make this happen by just posting it on Twitter. I read that the Pentagon people were very surprised to hear about this. :shock: And those "tremendous" medical costs Mr. Trump cites? Professionally and reliably estimated at between $2M and $10M a year, which is a drop in the bucket, for the $49+ BILLION annually for the Pentagon's health care spending. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/26/trans-health-cost-us-military-budget-pentagon

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    If you have chronic constipation and take medicine for it, you cannot join the military.
    If you have a peanut allergy,
    If you have IBD,
    If you have hepatitis of any sort,
    If you have hemorrhoids,
    If you had recurring hernia,
    If you have anemia,
    If you have insufficient teeth,
    If you have gout, shoulder or elbow or hip or ankle or foot problems, ingrown toenails, webbed toes, and on and on and on...

    I do not want my battle buddy to be sick when I need them the most.
     
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    If you believe in transgendered humans then you might believe in mermaids and minotaurs.

    Any medical professional promising a transgender procedure is guilty of fraud.
     
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    Precisely. He can't make it happen via twitter. So far, his own party isn't thrilled with the idea. Just another distraction away from the Russia investigation.
     
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    It's just a device to get people off the topic of Russia/Sessions. When nothing happens people will stop talking about it and then he'll tweet some other outrageous thing and the cycle starts again. Just a meaningless smokescreen.
     
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    To be sure, it is a distraction from the Russia investigation. And I don't see any reason transgender persons shouldn't be able to serve in the military. Perhaps a sound reason will be forthcoming? That said, I think the Russia investigation is a convenient distraction from the fact that the Democrats have no agenda other than "Trump is bad, we must stop the bad man" and have nothing more to offer than resistance and a slogan that leaves me wondering if I can I get it in thin crust. It is too bad that America doesn't have much in the way of leadership on either side of the aisle these days.
     
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    ...which is exactly why Trump singled out this tiny group to throw some red meat to his base. Just like a bully picking on one weird kid to assert the bully's dominance. Classy, classy move, chump.
     
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    Does the term "transgender" have any biological meaning?

    I'm aware of babies born anatomical hermaphrodites and of Kleinfelter's syndrome. But these are rare conditions and I'd guess even less common in the US military. Is this really what people are talking about?

    And I'm aware of people who undergo surgical and hormonal "sex changes", for whatever reason, usually psychological. But again, that's only a tiny number of people and probably an even smaller percentage of the US military population.

    But the way the media is spinning this, it's apparently supposed to be a very big deal, something that the whole country should be deeply concerned about, something justifying wholesale social changes.

    But why? What is this population that we are talking about here? How large is it? How is it defined, biologically, psychologically and behaviorally?
     
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    Right, Trump just made this decision out of the blue, on his own, without consulting his military generals. Who may know a thing or two about what is best for their branches of service. :rolleyes:
     
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    Well, AMA and APA thinks it's real, so I'm with them on this. As to the definitions: do your own research, will ya?

    Are you trying to suggest there is a minimum size a group must achieve before deserving civil rights and be free from harassment? Hmmm... What's the number?
     
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    A privilege is not a right.
     
  15. Stanislav

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    And the water is wet. Get it.
    I'd only say that restricting a group's access to "privileges" unfairly can and do affect rights. I mean, it's quite clear. Driver license is a privilege; denying it to women as they do in Saudi Arabia is nevertheless (...she persisted :usa:) unjust.
     
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    We were getting prepared for transgender applicants, lots of training here in the MEPS. Still many many unanswered questions. The number of transgender who would have been able to meet the strict criteria for entry in the military would have been tiny.


    Maybe a couple of them per year, and that's being generous.
     
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    Of course, the ethically-challenged scumbags at CNN tried to very carefully word the article to try to make Trump look bad. Read the wording; they were surprised by "the tweet" or by "the announcement".

    Notice what it said there weren't surprised by?

    The decision.

    Further proof that CNN is a laughably bad propaganda machine for the left.
     
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    0.0023% of 1,397,150 is 32. Are we seriously talking about 32 people?
     
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    I am not sure it's "32 people" but the number is quite small. By one account, the number of troops who received treatment in connection with gender identity disorders is as low as 29.
    Why would you suppose the number of people affected should be even an argument in the discussion?
     
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