Trump orders military to hold drills off coast of Venezuela

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  1. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    What a preposterous and expensive way to distract from one's pedophilia. The UK has stopped sharing intelligence with the U.S. over Trump's war crimes in the Caribbean.

     
  2. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    Huh, for a second I almost forgot trump was a pedophile.
     
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  3. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Hey, someone has to win the Nobel War Prize, right?
     
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  4. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    It is no secret that the US administration, would like to see Maduro toppled, something members of Venezuela's opposition have longed called for.

    The US does not recognize Maduro as the president of Venezuela.
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Not really, it is recognized that he is the illegitimate president of Venezuela. Since he cheated to win.
     
  6. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I think Trump is doing all this murdering off the coast of Venezuela to try to distract from Epstein. His next step might be murdering in Venezuela.
     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    You are correct:

    That was the Trump-era policy.
    Biden softened the position — he reopened direct negotiations with Maduro, eased oil sanctions, and effectively treats him as Venezuela’s acting president even while calling the past election illegitimate.
    So my statement needs the timeline: it used to be non-recognition, but not anymore.
     
  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Sorry your statement was misspoken. It was incorrect English. He IS president. Your statement was that he was not president which is obviously incorrect. He IS president. He IS just an invalid or illegitimate president because he cheated. That is just plain English. It has nothing to do with Biden or Trump, just the way that English works.
     
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  9. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    It's a bedrock principle of public international law that no state has the right to interfere in the internal affairs of another state. The U.S. has a centuries old habit of ignoring this principle in the Western Hemisphere.

    It's nothing new.
     
  10. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    Since I haven't quibbled about something here in several hours, I'll say that anyone is entitled to decide for themself who they do and don't recognize in any particular capacity even when that person is demonstrably in power.

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  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I wouldn't quibble with someone that said "Trump is not my President". They are making a political statement rather than trying to state a false fact. Trying to say, "Trump is not President of the USA." Would simply be factually incorrect unless they were instead trying to make some political statement in a different context.
     
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  12. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I think one can say "Maduro is not President of Venezuela" without being factually wrong, given that his regime did not hold a free and fair election, even though he's clearly still acting in that capacity.

    In the same way, had Trump succeeded on January 6th, I would personally not have considered him president of the United States even if he hadn't left the White House after his term ended.
     
  13. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    There are a variety of ways people may rise to the leadership of their country. Democratic process are just a few of them.

    There are also a variety of ways to remove the leader of a country. Again, democratic processes are just a few of them.

    Maduro is the president of Venezuela, irrespective of how he got there. And if he is removed, however it happens, he no longer will be.
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Sanity and logic in the political forum, I will double my efforts to follow your example. :)
     
  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The current U.S. administration supports the removal of Maduro and the restoration of a democratic government in Venezuela—or at minimum, genuinely free and fair elections.

    When it comes to drug trafficking, Venezuela is a minor player compared to Colombia and Mexico, which are the primary sources of narcotics entering the United States.

    The broader concern with Venezuela is geopolitical: Caracas has aligned itself with regimes and organizations hostile to U.S. interests, making it a strategic threat well beyond the drug-trafficking issue.
     
  16. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    When has this ever worked? Panama, maybe? But Noriega wasn't an actual threat, nor much of a dictator. He was a pain in tuchus for the U.S. and most of the world was against him.

    Does anyone seriously think removing Maduro will bring spring to Venezuela?
     
  17. NotJoeBiden

    NotJoeBiden Well-Known Member

    It sure will be harder for the media to follow the Epstein files if we are at war.
     
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  18. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It's failed more often than it's worked, but it did work in Panama and before that in Grenada. Noriega really was a dictator, though, and I can't bring myself to feel bad that he got removed.

    (In case it's not clear, I'm not saying, "Therefore the US should do more of this.")

    Maybe in theory, but I certainly don't trust anyone in this administration to accomplish it in practice.
     
  19. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    But what does Trump gain personally from removing Maduro? I won't believe Trump intends to invade until I get an answer to this question.
     
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I agree with you. It is unclear at this point what Trump would gain. However, Trump is always trying to control the subject being discussed. He does this with lies, hyperbole, distraction and creating new topics to discuss. If Trump needs to create a new topic then invasion of Venezuela might come in handy.
     

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