Terrorrist Attack in Sydney- Gunmen kill at least 11 people during a Jewish event

Gunmen kill at least 11 people during a Jewish event on Sydney's Bondi Beach.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/police-2-were-arrested-reports-093201986.html

The massacre targeted a Jewish celebration

"SYDNEY (AP) — Two gunmen shot dead at least 11 people on Sunday at a Jewish event being held at Sydney’s Bondi Beach, Australian authorities said, declaring it a terrorist attack. One gunman was fatally shot by police and the second arrested.

The suspect was in critical condition, authorities said. At least 29 people were confirmed wounded, including two police officers, said Mal Lanyon, the police commissioner for New South Wales state, where Sydney is located."

 

Ahmed is a real hero!

Many similar terrorist attacks were prevented the US and EU.
As Hanukkah celebrations begin today in the US , cation and security should be practiced.

However, global jihadist networks and extremist movements continue to plan further attacks, and intelligence agencies report a clear rise in radicalization and violent extremism worldwide .
Governments that have allowed or failed to control the entry of foreign extremists into their countries now have a special responsibility to do much more: to strengthen border security, dismantle terror networks, and fully cooperate with international partners to stop the spread of jihadist ideology and violence

 

If anyone is curious how conservatives in the US will spin this, look no further.

 

You didn’t condemn the Jihadi terrorist attack at all.
Instead, you immediately shifted into narrative management.

This wasn’t a partisan talking point — it was a jihadi terrorist attack against Jews. Full stop.

There are well-documented cases of ISIS and Hamas-linked cells being disrupted in the U.S. (including Michigan and New Jersey) and across Europe by law enforcement. Acknowledging that reality isn’t “spin”; it’s reporting on counter-terrorism.

When faced with an actual act of terror, the expected response is condemnation of the attackers — not an attempt to reframe the discussion to shield an ideology or redirect blame.

If your first instinct after a massacre is to protect a narrative rather than denounce terrorism, that says far more than any political label ever could.

 

See NotJoe. Let that be a lesson to you. You need to fix your signature like I did.

 

You just used this as an opportunity to call for xenophobic, Islamaphobic policies when we dont even yet know if the attackers are immigrants or Muslim, let alone “Jihadists”.

 

Click on your login name in the forum title bar next to Inbox then, click on signature in the left column.

 

Ight, that should cover all my bases.

 

Calling this “xenophobia” or “Islamophobia” is itself a deflection.

I didn’t call for policies against immigrants or Muslims. I pointed out a documented security reality: jihadi terrorist networks exist, operate transnationally, and have been repeatedly disrupted by intelligence and law-enforcement agencies in the U.S., Europe, and elsewhere. That is not conjecture — it’s a matter of public record.

The uncomfortable fact is that many attacks never happen precisely because agencies like the FBI, Mossad, and European services stop them first. When one succeeds, pretending the broader threat doesn’t exist doesn’t make anyone safer.

Australia today is experiencing a serious surge in antisemitic incidents. Recognizing that — and recognizing the ideological drivers behind many of them — is not hatred. It’s situational awareness.

 

A signature line doesn’t override a posting history.

Condemning terrorism in a generic footer is easy. And it's good and welcomed.

What matters is how someone reacts when an actual attack happens.
In this case, the immediate response wasn’t condemnation of jihadist violence or antisemitism — it was reframing, minimization, and accusation aimed at those pointing out a documented security threat.

That discrepancy is the issue. Words added after the fact don’t erase patterns demonstrated in real time.

Condemnation is not performative; it’s contextual. When antisemitic terror occurs, condemnation should be clear, timely, and unambiguous — not conditional on how the narrative might land politically.

History is full of examples where symbolic gestures were used to reassure others, while rhetoric and actions told a different story.
That’s why credibility is judged by consistency, not slogans.

 

I am not claiming to know what He “supports” internally, nor am I asserting intent.
People — myself included — are sometimes read as saying things they did not explicitly state or intend.

That said, perceptions don’t arise in a vacuum. They are shaped by patterns of response, especially in moments where condemnation would normally be clear and immediate. Based on He’s replies — in my mind and I can be wrong, a pattern appears to emerge that sits uneasily with the language of the signature.

That does not mean the signature is insincere. It does mean that some readers reasonably perceive a disconnect between stated principles and situational responses.

I may be wrong in that assessment. But noting a perceived inconsistency is not an accusation of motive — it’s an observation about how posts are received and understood by others.
Consistency over time is what ultimately resolves that gap.

 

I condemn this attack. It is yet another example of antisemitic terror.

We do not yet know the motives, other than that they targeted Jews on what should be a day of celebration. I do not agree with your positions because they make unsubstantiated conclusion of the situation. Fair game for critique.

This discussion should be about understanding this incident and its victims, not becoming a condemnation circlejerk.

 

This isn’t speculation — it’s context. Groups openly calling for a “global intifada” have encouraged violence against Jews worldwide for years.

Attacking Jews during a Jewish holiday is not random. It mirrors patterns seen before, including October 7.

It’s also well documented that many similar attacks have been prevented by the FBI and European services. Understanding this incident means acknowledging that broader reality.

 

We do not know if the perpetrators were muslim let alone Jihadist. That information has not been released as far as I know. We can't even know for sure that they are antisemite. I mean it is a reasonable guess but that information has not been released either as far as I know. Your assertions that NotJoe did something wrong because his first words posted didn't condemn Jihadist is just plain wrong and also rude.

 

Bill,
Why are you rushing to judgment? WE do know they were Muslims, and we know more.
Social media post from 2022 appears to show Akram celebrating his completion of Koran studies at the Al‑Murad Institute in Heckenberg, which offers classes in Arabic and Islamic studies.
The attack was planned, because they had improvised explosive devices in their vehicle.
CHabad is know to publish their events ahaid, they are repetative anually so attackers knew when to attack. Wasn't random.

What do we know so far:

Australian media and officials have reported that Australia's domestic intelligence agency, ASIO did in fact examine one of the Bondi Beach gunmen several years before the attack because of suspected links to an Islamic State–connected group in Sydney.
According to those reports, the man – identified as 24‑year‑old Naveed Akram – came to ASIO’s attention around 2019 due to his association with individuals later convicted of IS‑related offences.

Sajid Akram, 50, and his 24‑year‑old son, Naveed Akram - Sajid is a Pakistani immigrant,
Overnight, officers raided properties linked to the pair in Bonnyrigg and Campsie, seizing six firearms belonging to the older man.
Police have publicly said that improvised explosive devices (IED) were found in a vehicle linked to the attackers near Bondi Beach.
Police and news reports state that the father was killed at the scene by law enforcement, while the son was taken to hospital in critical condition after the attack at the Hanukkah event at Bondi Beach in Sydney.
“We will continue to investigate this matter thoroughly,” he added, as detectives worked to map the men’s movements in the days before the attack. Large sections of Bondi Beach remain a crime scene as police and forensic teams continue to comb the area.

This by itself not an indicator, only that he maybe was positioned to be radicalized, as this is the area where operators recruit individuals for radicalization.

But after today we know they are terrorists who committed murders and act of terrorism by murdering Jews in Australia.

 

Lerner says many things which are factually correct, but his conclusions are (IMHO) in error.

One could stop all immigration of Muslims to Western countries, but that wouldn't fix the problem of antisemitic attitudes and violence there. The man who murdered people outside the Jewish Museum in D.C. wasn't a Muslim immigrant, my neighbors who say hateful things about Jews aren't Muslim, etc. Antisemitism has deep roots in the West, and its increasing expression is a result of people feeling--due to rhetoric on the far right and the far left, by Christians and Muslims and atheists etc--they now have permission or entitlement to express those attitudes. This culture of permission is largely cultivated online, which has no national borders. Even if antisemitism was somehow a uniquely MENA/South Asia issue (it's not), curbing immigration wouldn't "fix" its spread.

Looking in the mirror is the best place to start for any non-Jew (I say as a non-Jew).