Tens of thousands of Israelis are protesting

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  1. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Do not fail to notice that there is ZERO international pressure on Israel to negotiate an end to the fighting. There are words, as always a torrent of words, but that's all. I do not think Hamas expected the total lack of support from the Arab world.
     
  2. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    The most powerful Arab and Arabized countries are U.S. allies, and they also buy weapons from the U.S. I don't think they ever really cared about Palestinians, and a couple of them have a history of forcing Palestinians out of their countries. They only used Palestine as a tool in their own beefs with Israel. Besides, Saudi Arabia and the UAE don't want to call too much attention to war crimes because these two countries recently committed war crimes in Yemen.
     
  3. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    Yes. These countries are also dealing with their own Iran backed militias.
     
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  4. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    That also doesn't help. While Iran is a predominantly Shiite, non-Arab country, it has gotten itself involved in this conflict because of a common enemy - Israel. Saudi Arabia and the other Arab nations likely don't want to be on the same side as Iran. Plus, some of them have been trying to normalize relations with Israel. I found it odd that South Africa was the country to file the complaint with the ICJ instead of a fellow Arab nation.
     
  5. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Anyone who thinks this is only Israels problem, has to understand that Jihadists want all of the world.
    They will take it by sacrifice of lives, for them 100 lives sacrificed to kill 1 enemy is a reason for celebration, they in their mindset think will replenished by giving birth to 1000.
     
  6. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    Saudi Arabia is responsible for spreading the ideology that sprouted Wahhabi jihadists.
     
  7. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I know that the far right-wing wacko's in the Israeli ruling coalition think that they have some magic right to whatever land they can get their hands on. I fear that you're absolutely correct about a new Israeli election. I don't have enough knowledge about Israel internal politics to know. I think we're past time for the USA to start playing hardball. By that I mean withholding some weapon shipments.
     
  8. nosborne48

    nosborne48 Well-Known Member

    If by "magic" you mean the Bible, then yes.
     
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  9. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Withholding weapons will help Hamas and Hezbollah, and will encourage the Jihadists to increase the attacks on Israel. It may help with Hamas supporters votes of the state of Michigan. It may not bring Israel to surrender, if that what is the purpose.
    Furthermore, it may push Israel to a corner to such a degree where Israel will use nukes in existential threat.
    The Bar Kochba uprising and war against Romans, caused the destruction and exile that lasted 2000 years. So messianic wars, as legend has it, that Rabbi Akiva declared bar Kochba to be a Messiah are a reminder to most Israelis to be careful.
    I also hear of talks of two states, Judah and Israel, some even call it Judah and the State of Tel Aviv will form the United States of Israel, where other states can join the Union.

    The bible is important to the history of the state of Israel, Just as Quran is important to the whole region surrounding Israel.
     
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

  11. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Screenshot_20240907_144856_LinkedIn.jpg In addition to Government agencies and police, US and IDF veterans based Surity companies help secure the University of Toronto Jewish students at the university, that are now strengthening their safety through security organizations like JForce Security and Magen Herut Canada and others. These groups, composed of trained professionals and volunteers, provide a visible presence and protection, ensuring Jewish students feel secure amid growing antisemitic incidents and pro-Hamas demonstrations on campus.
     
  12. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    On the news tonight I saw a retired leader of the IDF say that Netanyahu's claims about needing to keep IDF on the Gaza Egyptian border is just more Netanyahu lies. He said that there are better ways to handle that problem that wouldn't scuttle a hostage deal. Netanyahu is lying to Israel.
     
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  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The issue is highly politicized. If border with Egypt was so important why it took 9 months to handle it, why it wasn't a priority in the early stages of the Gaza war?
    I read and listened to multiple opinions.
    Hamas was not close to the deal.
    They hope for high scale conflict with Lebanon and West Bank. There is nothing for Hamas to make a deal, unless full withdrawal of IDF.
    In my opinion , Natanyahu is not lying but selecting priorities.
    What alarming to me is the support Hamas is getting world wide.
    As a man of faith, and with flaws, I interpret the situation as punishment from above, Enemies rised against Israel always as a punishment.
    At this junction, deal is needed, hostages return home and elections.
    Rebuild the IDF to be again a force capable dealing with multiple fronts, and a defense pact with the US and and self reflection.
     
  14. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Hamas is getting world wide support because the destruction in Gaza has been total. The vast majority of homes and apartments have been destroyed in Gaza. They have been reduced to living like rats in Gaza. Yet, Israel continues to kill and destroy. It is obvious to the world that Israel is not accomplishing anything positive. Just more killing, more destruction, recruiting more future terrorists in Gaza, and destroying Israeli reputation around the world. The situation is within Israeli control but Netanyahu refuses to do what is best for Israel.
     
    Last edited: Sep 8, 2024
  15. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    People forget the 1000s of rockets that terrorists of Gaza shoot at Israelis, to destroy Israwli cities, to kill Israeli children, the candy giving and dancing l, celebration of killing Israelis.
    Hamas caused the war, and destruction of Gaza.
    And what holds back Hezbollah is that Lebanon will face the same distraction.
    World media and many others are victims of Jihadi propoganda, side with murderers Hamas and their supporters Jihadi politics.
    Why Israel is not attaking Joradan?
    Why Gaza?
    Both sides suffering and creating hate of their enemies for generations to come.
    Hostages are suffering in Gaza, starving, denied Healthcare and basic visitation from Red Cross.
    Don't forget, their wars against Israel.
    And Syria, Asad killed hundreds of thousands of Syrians.
    This who Israel deals with.
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    The question is not why is lsrael fighting so many wars. The question is why is lsrael being attacked on so many fronts?
    One answer? The Islamic Republic of Iran. The other is world wide Jihadi conquest.

    If there were no attacks on Israel, there would be no wars. It is as simple as that.
    Gaza, Lebanon, West Bank: Why Is Israel Fighting So Many Wars?

    In addition its conflict with Hamas, Israel is battling along the Lebanon border, waging a counterinsurgency in the West Bank and exchanging fire with Iranian proxies.
    Iran is definitely backing Hamas and Hizballah. Islamists aim is to take over the entire West, not just Israel. It's already spreading in many parts of Europe, as we've seen. Unfortunately, there are many ignorant protesters who blindly confuse "resistance" with terrorism, thereby strengthening Iran and its proxies' murderous agenda.
     
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  18. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    If this was supposed to be in response to my post right before it.

    I was simply trying to answer your question as to why Hamas is getting world wide support. I was not arguing that Hamas isn't evil because they are. I was just trying to answer the question as to why Hamas is getting support. In a word we can attribute it to sympathy. Personally I'd say Hamas deserves zero none zilch support. However, some in this world have confused Hamas with the poor Palestinians in Gaza that have almost all had their homes destroyed and are living like rats. These Palestinians should not be treated like vermin. It makes people very sad to see anguished fathers and mothers carrying around their babies that have been killed. This is going to tear people apart to see stuff like that on the news.

    IIRC the Biden administration prior to October 7 was working on a plan to have some Arab countries around Israel officially recognize them and try to further isolate Iran. Let's get a ceasefire, bring the rest of the hostages home, and try to further isolate Iran. Israel needs to get back on a good track.
     
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Hamas is not interested in a deal.
    The only interest they have is survival and control of Gaza and West Bank.
    So they demand full withdrawal from Gaza amd West Bank.
    Release of 1000s of terrorists etc.
    The documents captured from Hamas, outline their approach to stolling and pretending negotiations.
    https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-document-details-tactics-to-up-pressure-on-israel-stall-hostage-talks-report/


    According to the report, Hamas is indifferent to whether the ongoing war ends quickly, instead prioritizing maintaining the terror group’s military capabilities, “exhausting” Israel’s military and political apparatuses, and increasing international pressure on Israel.

    While the terror group admits in the paper that the war, going into its 12th month, has diminished its military capacities, Hamas still seeks to “improve important clauses in the agreement, even if the negotiations continue for an extended period.” Notably, Palestinian civilian casualties are not mentioned in the document.

    The Times of Israel's Daily Edition
     
    Last edited: Sep 10, 2024
  20. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I guess you're saying Hamas wants to keep the war going because the war is good for them and bad for Israel. I agree with that part. However, poor Netanyahu has to keep bombing Gaza and has no control over the matter, nope, color me skeptical on that part.
     

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