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Clever, researched, and informed as I would expect, Steve. But...

http://businessschooldirect.info/about_us/ucn

ASIC is recognized by CHEA as an accrediting agency. Now what?

Say what you will about my doctorate, but it would appear that my research skills surpass yours to a dramatic degree.

 

I believe that this is what experts call a brain fart.

 

More exceptional research. I am duly impressed. We can call this one a freebie, fanboy. If you need some tips on actual research, don’t be afraid to ask. In the meantime, Google is your friend.

 

I am going back to basic because i am totally confused. What is the value to be on this list of organizations from CHEA?
https://www.chea.org/ciqg-membership-list

 

CHEA recognized accrediting organization = institution recognized by said organization issues degrees recognized as legitimate by the US federal government. It means that my doctorate is recognized by the US government as a valid degree and can be used as qualification for federal jobs.

 

There might be others here who are struggling like me. So, is being on CIQG = being on CHEA. My initial understanding was to that the USDOE farmed out accreditation to CHEA.

 

Neither the U.S. Department of Education nor CHEA accredit schools. As we know, various private organizations in the U.S. accredit schools. The U.S. Department of Education and CHEA recognize accreditors that they have deemed to be legitimate. The U.S. Department of Education has not farmed out this task, and they're the only recognition that matters when it comes to obtaining financial aid.

In regards to federal government jobs, I'm not sure if CHEA matters. The job announcements on USAJobs state that the accreditation needs to be recognized by the U.S. Department of Education.

In Texas, some government agencies do rely on CHEA recognition. However, I'm not sure that CHEA recognition is the same as being a member of CIQG. I would suspect that these government agencies will only look at this list.

https://www.chea.org/chea-recognized-organizations

Foreign schools will need to be evaluated by a NACES organization.

 

Implicitly yes, but the relationship is more convoluted than that. This link fleshes it out fairly well.
Recognition
Recognition is the scrutiny and affirmation of the quality of regional, faith-related, career-related and programmatic accrediting organizations. CHEA is the only nongovernmental higher education organization in the United States that undertakes this scrutiny. The federal government, through the U.S. Department of Education, conducts governmental recognition reviews.
https://www.chea.org/about

As the original kerfuffle was about the legitimacy of my degree based on its cost, for some reason, I think this provides at least a basis for suggesting that UCN is a legitimate degree granting institution.

 

CHEA's CIQG (CHEA International Quality Group) is an organization of accrediting bodies, universities, educational professional organizations and individuals concerned with the issues of international higher education quality assurance. There's no suggestion that CHEA (let alone the US government) is endorsing all of the CIQG members as credible accreditors. It's a discussion and advocacy group.

https://www.chea.org/about-ciqg

Here's the CIQG membership application

https://www.chea.org/ciqg-membership-application

The application includes this text: "IMPORTANT: Membership in the CHEA International Quality Group does not constitute CHEA membership and is not connected to CHEA recognition."

I suppose that being on the list communicates to others in the field that you are somebody interested in the international QA issue. But given how some are apparently trying to spin their membership in this into their somehow being CHEA recognized accreditors, CHEA would probably be best advised to take the CIQG listing down. It might be causing more harm than good.

CHEA's list of recognized accrediting bodies is here

https://www.chea.org/chea-recognized-organizations

 

This is what I believe. Choosing to be a member of an international advocacy group is not the same as being evaluated and recognized by CHEA as a legitimate accrediting body.

UCN's legitimacy is based on Nicaragua's government, not an American, nongovernmental organization.

 

There is also an international list that is currently being updated. What possible reason would CHEA have for supporting and authorizing the use of their name to an international advocacy group of illegitimate accrediting organizations?

 

A lot of organizations have lists of members and lists of accredited schools/programs. For example, being a member of ACE is not the same as being evaluated and approved by ACE for college credit. Being a member of AACSB does not mean that your business school is accredited by AACSB. Being a member simply means that you agree with the organization's mission, and you will help with advancing it. It's not CHEA's job to recognize international accrediting organizations. Each country has its own system. CHEA appears to be teaming up with international organizations to promote quality and self-governance of higher education worldwide.

ASIC, as someone else put it, operates in a grey area. ASIC is a UK organization, so any legitimacy it has will come from the UK. The UK recognizes ASIC accreditation for the purpose of allowing private UK institutions to enroll international students.

 

Fair enough. By this logic, all accreditation organizations are suspect and no one has any real authority to accredit anyone except by the agreement of the accredited. On the brighter side, there is no need for degreeinfo to validate my studies. Plenty of other organizations are willing to do so. If it pleases self styled academics to look down their noses at my credentials, so be it. As I said in the beginning, I make no apologies for the quality and relevance of my work. I would recommend the program at SMCU to anyone seeking a quality educational experience.

 

https://www.asicuk.com/frequently-asked-questions/#i6

 

John, this is not a competition between you and me. This is you trying to justify your mickey mouse credentials. And while you may try to out-do me on research (which is purely subjective), your interpretation skills appear to be lacking, big time. To wit:

So have fun, John. Right now, it seems like everyone else in this thread is doing quite well at exposing you - something I doubt you anticipated when you necromanced this thread, which hadn't had any new posts for almost four years. Get used to it, John - if you ever try to use your doctoral so-called credentials in academe, this thread is a good example of how academic professionals will laugh their asses off at you. Just as I already am.

I find it amusing that the deeper you get in this thread, the deeper your foot gets up your own ass. Give it a rest, John - you will not lose on this issue, you have already lost.

 

The government is pretty powerful. If a state or national government says you have authority, then you have authority. On the other side, some states also create lists of diploma mills, and degrees from those schools are illegal to use.

 

This is what an ASIC-accredited school has to say about the CHEA list.

Then, the school directs you to a Wikipedia article for a full list of accrediting organizations that are recognized by their respective governments. Ironically, the article has this warning at the top.

 

So ASIC doesn’t count. CHEA doesn’t count. Programmic accreditation doesn’t count. Actual experience doesn’t count. For profit doesn’t count. Online doesn’t count. Foreign accreditation doesn’t count.

Why does the rest of the world even bother with education?

Your self important bloviating and autobiographical Wikipedia page aside, exposure implies some effort to hide or misrepresent. Neither of these apply to my educational endeavors, although your aggressive behavior does suggest a less than confident impression of your own. I am less concerned with criticism of my credentials than I am that a horses ass like yourself is behaving like the intellectual superior to everyone else.
Thank you for your time, DegreeInfo, but my credentials and I have better use for our available bandwidth.

 

I don't know how you've come to this conclusion. Accreditation that is recognized by the government counts. Individual employers can choose whether or not CHEA recognition is enough. ASIC is not recognized by CHEA; it is recognized by the UK government for visa purposes. As a UK organization, its accreditation of American schools that can't gain accreditation in the U.S. is a bit concerning.

I guess no one has the answer to my question. Does UCN award master's and doctoral degrees to students who have never taken classes from their school?

Did SMC lose ACBSP accreditation, or did they choose not to renew? If they have been granted the authority to award degrees by Switzerland, then why are they conferring degrees through UCN? Why does Ghana's opinion even matter when SMC is located in Switzerland? There are countries that don't recognize nationally accredited schools in the U.S., but they are still legitimate in the U.S. and don't need to go through other schools to award degrees.

 

John, I've always been open about the fact that not only did I not write my Wiki bio, I have never even edited it - I would consider that unethical. I always found it interesting that someone out there was obsessed enough with me to write such a comprehensive bio, but eventually I did find out who wrote it, and know that person as a credible researcher. The bio is about 95% correct, and I'm not concerned about the other 5% - I would still consider it unethical to edit it myself.

As for intellect, I hardly feel superior to everyone else, John. I merely feel intellectually superior to you, as are most of the people now participating in this thread.

Hmmmmmm . . . What's the old expression about not letting the door hit you in the ass on the way out? Frankly, John, I hope you'd stick around, but even if you don't, perhaps you've learned what kind of reception your credentials will receive elsewhere.

I only wonder why you let your ruse go on so long. What did you hope to find here, John? Absolution? Yeah, okay, dude - I absolve you. But I still laugh at you.