Sussman Trial

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  1. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    Following the Sussman trial It's early yet, but my thought is - Oooch! That's going to leave a mark.
     
  2. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

  3. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I was thinking along somewhat similar lines, that 24/7 cable news channels have to manufacture outrage from something, and this will do.
     
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  4. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    It will be interesting to see what the results are of the trial and if the lawyer is convicted of telling the FBI falsely that he was giving them information outside any client of his what the punishment might be?
     
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  5. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    Final arguments tomorrow. Evidence is overwhelming but, so much in favor of defense.
     
  6. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    Yes, let's all draw our attention from the real issues of the day to pay attention to the Democratic equivalent of George Papadopoulos, if even that.
     
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  7. Rachel83az

    Rachel83az Well-Known Member

    Bread & circuses.
     
  8. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    1. George Papadopoulos is an innocent man.
    2.The Sussman Trial is ongoing. It is not a manufactured story.
    3.It is the first trial resulting from Special Counsel John Durham's investigation into what was one of the biggest government abuses of power ever.
    I am following the trial on Robert Gouveia's YOUTUBE Channel. He reads and reviews the court transcripts daily. It's fascinating to watch a lawyer read the court transcripts while providing his own thoughts.I have seen very little coverage on the cable news channels. My guess is there will be more indictments.
     
  9. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    He was convicted of a felony for lying to the FBI. Prosecutors noted that he "had repeatedly lied to investigators and did not provide "substantial assistance" to [their] investigation." In the face of that, what makes him innocent?
     
  10. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    He is probably innocent of murder, if not, at least innocent of something? :D
     
  11. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Interesting assertion, Sussman wasn't even part of the government, was he?
     
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  12. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    You are correct. He was not employed by the government at the time he allegedly lied to the FBI. However, that was not the end of this saga. Recent testimony in this trial informed us the FBI leadership would not even reveal to the field agents, who were assigned to investigate then Candidate Trump, who was the source of the alleged incriminating info. I am looking forward to Robert Gouveia, Esq review today's transcripts this P. M. I expect the verdict early next week.
     
  13. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    He is indeed an innocent man. Bottom Line Up Front: He was pardoned by the President of the United States per the Constitution. The President's plenary action set aside the conviction. He is not a felon.
     
  14. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    That would make him a pardoned felon, not a not-a-felon.
     
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  15. Rich Douglas

    Rich Douglas Well-Known Member

    This is not accurate. A pardon relieves the recipient of all pain associated with the conviction--bearing arms, voting, remaining time on a sentence, etc.--but does not set aside the conviction. He is still a convicted felon and, by definition, not innocent.
     
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  16. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    My friend, I must disagree with you on this one. As I understand, a Presidential Pardon sets-aside the alleged criminal act as if it never happened. Therefore under the President's Plenary Authority there is no such thing as a 'pardoned felon.'
     
  17. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Sorry incorrect, hundreds of quotes available, here's one

    quote:
    A federal pardon in the United States is the action of the President of the United States that completely sets aside the punishment for a federal crime. The authority to take such action is granted to the president by the U.S. Constitution. A pardon is one form of the clemency power of the president, the others being commutation of sentence, remission of fine or restitution, and reprieve. A person may decide not to accept a pardon, in which case it does not take effect; according to a Supreme Court majority opinion in Burdick v. United States a pardon "carries an imputation of guilt and acceptance of a confession of it.

    You claimed it was "one of the biggest government abuses of power ever" yet you admit he didn't even work for the government. How was this possibly an example of abuses of power by the government then?



     
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  18. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    So much more to learn. I look forward to rejoining this conversation tomorrow. Goodnight, dear friends.
     
  19. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    I'd actually push back on this one. The President sometimes pardons people who were the victims of miscarriages of justice. A pardon does not require an admission of guilt. At the same time, while it sets aside the punishment for the crime, it doesn't change that they were convicted.

    See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/five-myths/five-myths-about-presidential-pardons/2018/06/06/18447f84-69ba-11e8-bf8c-f9ed2e672adf_story.html
     
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  20. Charles Fout

    Charles Fout Active Member

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/27/politics/michael-sussmann-trial/index.html

    Nice commentary from CNN. I'm giving this a break until we get the verdict.

    Wishing you and all of our Degreeinfo colleagues a God. Blessed Memorial Day as we remember those who died in uniform.
     

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