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There goes the circle jerking again. You also disrespected Kizmet for no reason, and she's a moderator. Real men wouldn't call women bitches (Steve) or like posts of a man calling a woman a bitch (Chris). Steve Foerster and Abner (RIP) are/were real gentlemen.

Levicoff almost always starts the first ad hominem attack and goes after my credentials even though I've actually been accepted by schools that don't accept everyone. I'm surprised that Steve Levicoff hasn't made fun of the fact that Chris isn't at Liberty because it was the best choice. He's at Liberty because it's his last resort. He was either rejected by or dropped out of several doctoral programs. Only an idiot like Steve would think that's more impressive than someone who has remained in one doctoral program.

As for substance, I have cited far more research than you two misogynists combined, and I'm usually the one providing valuable answers to posters when Steve is throwing a thread off topic and making fun of the OP. The only reason why Steve goes silent after trolling is because he has no rebuttal.

 

Refer to this thread https://www.degreeinfo.com/index.php?threads/my-journey-to-becoming-a-liberty-ph-d-student.53234/

Apart from ACE where I completed one course, Liberty is the only other program in which I have completed coursework.

I'm okay with "last resort" like you put it. I've earned my B.S., MBA, and M.S. all online. I wasn't going to pursue a Ph.D. on campus after I've already established myself in my field. So, I was limited to Saint Leo, Cal U of PA, Nova Southeastern, and Liberty for non-profit schools offering an online doctorate in criminal justice. I never applied to Nova because it was crazy expensive and I wasn't willing to spend that much on a degree that I'd be pursuing for personal achievement reasons. I was accepted to Saint Leo and Liberty but not by Cal U. I have no regrets about pursuing the gold standard doctorate (Ph.D.). Of all the options, Liberty was the most affordable and I earned a 25% tuition discount on top of all that. The bottom line, I am still happy with my decision to pursue my degree at Liberty, 27 credits later. I am pretty sure I'll be "Dr." before you do

Be good, Sani!!

 

No, you'll be a doctor at a much later age because you couldn't hack it in other programs. Remember, I am far ahead of most people here when you were all my age.

 

Lmao... I'm in my 20s, born 90s. Go sit your old ass down!

 

Oh, so that's why you think a man like Steve Levicoff can be mature. Your frontal lobe must still be developing, or you're having a daddy fantasy.

 

As far as I'm concerned, this round of personal attacks was started by Levicoff. I'd like it to stop. If you all can't stop it I promise you that I can.

 

Like most things, it's a YMMV situation. But one thing I've learned from reading dating forums, articles, and comment sections over the years is that the theme of a man getting no messages is always a discussion with plenty of men willing to speak up about their lack of success.

I've also had friends who were 5'8, 5'9, 5'10, reasonably attractive, good men, took good pictures, wrote a well thought out profile. Sent hundreds of messages, no replies. One friend hired one of those dating message writers and spent a ton (or at least way more than I would have). He used up all of his message credits and he still got no replies. After years of that, he eventually gave up dating entirely although in his own words he didn't give up dating because he was never dating in the first place :-(

 

That's very true, especially abusers. That's their #1 go-to. The unfortunate thing with mental health is that an otherwise mentally healthy person can become mentally ill, or at least suffer a mental health crisis for a period. It's quite common for these issues to be brought on by relationship failures. What I think the mainstream does is look at the result and then blame the person standing at the end of that result, and I'm not saying that's totally unfair because if a person commits a crime it's still their fault, they did do it. However, if the reasons/events that led a person into a mental health crisis and an ultimate heinous act aren't taken into account, then we're only judging and not understanding. Without understanding, we'll never learn how set up ways to address the issues and foster better outcomes.

 

LearningAddict, do you have any references?

Since we are talking about response rates on online dating sites, the best place to get raw data is from the online dating sites, themselves. The raw data is definitely more accurate than anecdotes. At best, a researcher can take a sample and make inferences, but anyone who has taken statistics knows that there will be a margin of error. No one will have more accurate information than the websites that have access to all responses.

https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/howyourraceaffectsthemessagesyouget.html

 

I've read so many things on this topic since the early 00's that it would be hard to narrow down or pinpoint exactly where each facet comes from. But I agree that the dating sites who have conducted surveys and polls are in an advantageous position because they have direct access to the data. I can also understand why some question the research methods that some of those sites may have used.

 

People pay others to ‘manage’ their dating profiles? I’m honestly aghast, that’s about as unauthentic as one can be.

Rinse + Repeat.

 

Concerning response rates, they don't need to conduct any polls or surveys. They can use computers to compile the information. The race and/or ethnicity the person selected will be on their profile and, therefore, in the website's database. While they shouldn't be reading people's private messages, depending on what their privacy policy states, calculating replies to private messages can be an automated task.

I believe OkCupid only conducted a survey on attitudes toward interracial marriage. The data on response rates come from their database.

 

I guess when a person has failed over and over again for years and years they can become desperate and willing to try things they wouldn't have before that string of failures. Now imagine failing still after trying a message service. I really don't understand it myself because this a quality man. I see him as an example of the type of guy people tell to try everything and to keep trying, he did, and it still didn't work out.

 

Sometimes, if available, I like to see comparisons between the methods to see if what people are saying does/doesn't relate to the cold hard unprompted data. I mean, certainly I'm going to take the hard data over anything else because that's a representation of people acting as they normally would without fear of judgement, versus putting people on the spot where it's common for them to virtue signal and say what they know sounds most socially acceptable even though they do/would do the opposite in their everyday lives.

 

In other words, you've given up on it, lol. I kid (sort of) because you and I have talked about this one for a very long time and since we have a number of mutual friends we've both had to deal with a lot of despair from them. I think the most recent conclusion is that things have gotten darker over the past 5 years.

Something has definitely changed. I don't care for all of the blame being placed on guys playing video games and watching porn, because that can be more symptomatic than causal, yet that's the BS just about every article you read points to. I call BS because those things have been there and easily accessible since the 80s and guys were getting laid a lot more in every 10-year span prior to 2018. I just know that the issues I hear young men speak of today don't ring true to me as being issues when I was young and out there. There just seems to be a new level of difficulty.

Even though I'm no fan of MGTOW and all of these other groups, it's no surprise that they're happening. At the end of the day, women have increased in their upward mobility educationally and otherwise, and when that happens to any group their wants and expectations increase with it. That's just natural. What's not natural are millions and millions of men feeling (and often literally being) displaced and on top of it not having sex, too. Then add on the male suicide crisis that no one seems to care about and a media that continues to marginalize masculinity and demonize it at the same time, it has to be a confusing and frustrating time for hetero men in the dating game because there appears to be no light at the end of the tunnel for them and no one willing to do much else but scold them and tell them everything is their fault, just stop whining and "man up".

 

Well, we did have the one buddy who committed suicide recently, and his issues with relationships were well known. He wasn't having any love life luck the past 4 years or so. I guess the last straw for him was when the mother of his child found a way to block him from seeing his daughter over a minor disagreement. So with that I'm sure you can understand why I'm heading in that direction. Years of stories from people you know and countless more from people you don't know tend to make you feel there is no hope for many of these guys out there. At this point, I'm just trying to forget a lot of what I've read about this because outside of what would amount to empty platitudes I don't think there is much I can do.

 

If numbers of men and women are roughly equal, and if they pair up one-to-one, one would expect that there would be a single woman for every single man.

But what I think is happening is that as women ascend the social hierarchies, they get a lot pickier about which men are worthy of them. Feminism has created a society populated by women who imagine themselves as princesses, who won't be satisfied by any man short of a prince. Which excludes most guys since princes are in short supply.

It's no accident that birth-rates have been plummeting, to below rates of replacement in most Western countries.

A problem is that dating sites aren't real life. They are online singles bars where everything is just as superficial, all about first-impressions.

An alternative to the (more than) slightly bizarre singles bars and dating sites is a much older and more traditional method: shared interests. Art gallery openings are notorious singles scenes for aesthetes, complete with wine and cheese. A certain kind of woman loves them. (There are all kinds of galleries, from downmarket 'alternative' ones where everyone dresses in black, to upmarket exceedingly elegant ones.) Take individual night classes in subjects that interest you at your local college and strike up conversations with your fellow students. If you are into something like history or science, join a club or attend events at a local museum.

You might meet somebody who is attractive enough even if they don't exactly look like a model (girl geeks!), somebody who shares interests with you and who is comfortable and fun to talk to. Somebody that you would like to spend some time with.

 

Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately for the more introverted types, online dating has become one of the more popular ways to meet romantic partners.

Women are not sexual objects or breeding machines. We are not obligated to have sex with men, and we definitely are not obligated to have your children. When the relationship ends, the woman is usually the one left being the full-time parent. However, a lot of women do want to get married (more so than men), but they are having trouble finding economically suitable partners.

https://www.inc.com/jeff-haden/new-research-claims-few-economically-attractive-men-means-less-people-than-ever-are-getting-married-but-1-thing-matters-a-lot-more.html

The percentage of children born out of wedlock has increased over the past several decades, so marriage isn't needed to have babies. The reason why the birthrate has gone down in post-industrialized nations is because women are choosing to use birth control.

In general, men still make more than women, but in my demographic, I make earn more than most men. The women in my demographic also earn degrees at a much higher rate. The women in my demographic end up marrying down in class more than any other group of women in the U.S.

https://medium.com/migration-issues/the-marriage-market-may-be-more-imbalanced-than-you-think-fb580717f163

 

When you're not dating, and not even trying to date, it get's tiresome hearing the same comments over and over

https://www.bustle.com/articles/46302-11-things-people-who-are-not-interested-in-dating-are-tired-of-hearing-as-good-as

 

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