SCUps & NCU Connection via learners sites

It appears that NCU and SCUps are sharing the same learners site, which could be a sign that SCUps is having technology assistance with NCU or are one in the same still.

Here are the addresses for both of the schools learners sites. the same NCU green appearance is on both.

http://learners.scups.edu/

http://learners.ncu.edu/

Thought this was interesting.

 

I, being an NCU student, was not able to login to the SCUPS site. So, the NCU students don't appear to be able to get the cooties from SCUPS. Also, I noticed that my syllabus for one course is labeled (SCUPS), in the company field for Word properties. Obviously SCUPS and NCU are sharing technology/staff. As far as the mentors go, I am fairly certain the NCU mentorship is comprised of only RA people. Not sure if this is the same at SCUPS.

You might be interested to find that CUNY uses an adaptation of the The University of Utah Glossary.... http://library.wexler.hunter.cuny.edu/lyannott/thesis_guide/libraryterms.html

 

Oh, god! Not another NCU/SCUPS thread! That's inviting trouble! As was previously pointed, the same person (Dr Hecht) once owned both schools, but SCUPS has now been sold. The shared IT arrangements are no doubt a holdover from the days of common ownership.

 

Re: Re: SCUps & NCU Connection via learners sites

Ted,

The shared IT infrastructure, staff, resources, equipment, and IT facilities appears to be more current and persistent than a just a holdover from a previous sale. In many respects, it is still very difficult to see the separation.

At the risk of firing Simon back up on another rant attack, here is the information a previous old thread:

http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20366

***********

Clearly, NCU appears to host and operate the IT infrastructure for SCUPS. See Post-1 and 2 below.

Additionally, the faculty for NCU’s international division, NCUI (which provides the degrees for the NCU/HUT program), consists of the same faculty from SCUPS. See Post-3 below.

The same IT infrastructure and resources + use of common facilities + shared use of faculty + shared (other than board) administrative resources = associated schools (very close ones).

I suppose that NCA wanted to see a clear separation between NCU and SCUPS for a reason. However, in my opinion, the intended separation, as a matter of reality, has turned out to be far more superficial than originally expected.

*********
* Post-1 *
*********

The SCUPS association is made even more evident based on a careful look at NCU's network.

An NSlookup and hostname scan reveals that NCU operates with a full class-C address space and network on Qwest. Additionally, the geo-location information for each of the network addresses and hostnames (servers) show they all reside in Prescott, AZ.

Qwest Communications NET-QWEST-BLKS-4 (NET-65-112-0-0-1)
65.112.0.0 - 65.127.255.255

NORTHCENTRAL UNIVERSITY 08231-65-116-240-0 (NET-65-116-240-0-1)
65.116.240.0 - 65.116.240.255

ADDRESS HOSTNAME
65.116.240.1 roadrunner.ncu.edu
65.116.240.33 dev.admin.ncu.edu
65.116.240.35 dev.www.ncu.edu
65.116.240.40 dev-admin.scups.edu
65.116.240.41 dev-learners.scups.edu
65.116.240.42 dev-mentors.scups.edu
65.116.240.43 dev-www.scups.edu
65.116.240.45 dev.learners.ncu.edu
65.116.240.46 dev.mentors.ncu.edu
65.116.240.55 mail.scups.edu
65.116.240.66 mail.ncu.edu
65.116.240.67 www.ncu.edu
65.116.240.72 eedusa.com
65.116.240.74 www.scups.edu
65.116.240.77 mbadistancelearning.com
65.116.240.78 psychologydegreesonline.com
65.116.240.79 businessdegreesonline.com
65.116.240.80 degreesonline.org
65.116.240.88 www.northcentraluniversity.org
65.116.240.91 www.bbadegreesonline.com
65.116.240.92 www.lawdegreesonline.com
65.116.240.93 scholarshipadvice.info
65.116.240.94 nogmat.com
65.116.240.95 psychdegreesonline.com
65.116.240.96 distancelearninginformation.com
65.116.240.97 humanresourcemanagers.org
65.116.240.98 phddegreesonline.com
65.116.240.99 www.international-center-for-distance-education.com
65.116.240.100 mentors.scups.edu
65.116.240.101 learners.scups.edu
65.116.240.104 alumni.ncu.edu

Interestingly, I noticed on several of the non-NCU sites that accreditation is presented as unimportant unless the school is looking for access to federal dollars.

For example:
_________________________________

Is accreditation important?

"There are over 100 different accrediting agencies. Most are designed to act as oversight for the government so they don’t have to spend as much time regulating colleges. If a college does not wish to have access to federal dollars there is no real reason that they would need to have accreditation."

http://businessdegreesonline.com/
http://psychologydegreesonline.com
_________________________________

Such statements are almost amusing since there is hardly a page of content on any of the NCU sites that does not prominently display their NCA accreditation. I wonder if NCA/CHEA shares this view surrounding accreditation.

All of this just seems hard to swallow when the content and messages are managed and delivered from the same source. I also struggle with rationalizing why any school (or education group) would operate under two totally different fronts, guidelines and principles unless the rules, standards and external oversight required of one entity are being substantially ignored or manipulated (lowered) by the other.

I would think the best approach for NCU to take would be to simply dispose of the SCUPS and associated relationships, or work to bring all programs under NCA/CHEA's oversight and criteria for accreditation.

Tom


*********
* Post-2 *
*********

I suppose my curiosity is getting the best of me, but the more I look at the underlying information, the more interconnected NCU appears to be with SCUPS and AEF.

A Whois search shows that NCU, SCUPS, NCUI and AEF appear to share the same network, systems and IT resources.

NCU
IP Adress: 65.116.240.67
IP Location: US(United States)-Arizona-Prescott

Technical Contact:
Jerry McArthur [xxxx]@ncu.com
Northcentral University
505 W. Whipple St.
Prescott, AZ 86301
UNITED STATES

SCUPS
IP Address: 65.116.240.74
IP Location: US(United States)-Arizona-Prescott

Technical Contact:
Jerry McArthur [xxxx]@ncu.com
IT Manager
Southern California University for Professional Studies
1840 E. 17th Street #240
Santa Ana, CA 92705-8605


NCUInternational
IP Address: 209.217.36.7
IP Location: US(United States)

Registrant/Admin Contact:
Jerry McArthur (CTLGDN-241025) [xxxx]@ncu.com
505 W. Whipple Street
Prescott, AZ 86301
US

AEF
IP Address: 207.217.36.7
IP Location: US(United States)

Admin/Tech Contact:
Patrick Doan
1850 E. 17th Street, #215
Santa Ana, CA 92705
US

A separate observation (which hopefully means nothing)….

The cached version of the American Education Foundation (AEF) URL (american-edu.org) from back in 2002 through 2003 show it to be the American Education Institute that offered online MBA and MSCS degrees. The site touts that you could earn the degrees within a matter of weeks.

http://web.archive.org/web/20021212....org/index.html
Here is the timeline of changes: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://american-edu.org

The site was re-registered to AEF/Patrick Doan and with the same IP address as the NCUInternational.com website during April of 2004, so I hope that there were no prior associations with AEI. Perhaps Dr. Bear or others on this board can tell us more about the American Education Institute.

Tom

***********

Tom

 

Re: Re: Re: SCUps & NCU Connection via learners sites

Tom: simon will get all ramped up over this one; you can count on it.

 

Re: Re: SCUps & NCU Connection via learners sites

Thats what I love about you Ted! Your not afraid to face trouble!!!



Take care broheim!



Abner