Schools with Universidad Isabel I Certified Programs

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  1. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Indian board was operating under a local law that allowed them to grant degrees based on an association's act. As AM is not regulated but only other natural medicine practices such as Ayurveda, the school just created an association that provided training to members and granted degrees. These degrees were not accredited by the University Grants Commision but tolerated mainly because they operated under a local law. However, some people started using them to practice traditional medicine so the government shut down many of them.
    However, if you check in linkedin, many people use them in the US to be speakers, health gurus, health product company owners, etc. I am interested in AM but I once went to a California conference and most of the speakers were people with credentials coming from outfits like this one and most of them were just BS so I can see why the reputation of the AM is in the floor. Nevertheless, they are few serious people doing work in AM but they hold real degrees and do evidence based work but it is a minority.
     
  2. tadj

    tadj Well-Known Member

    Croatia's VERN' University does not grant PhDs via partner non-accredited institutions. They only grant the following awards with their partners; Master of Business Administration, Doctor of Business Administration, Doctor of Education. None of the provided awards is accredited within Croatia. See their partner's note below.

    Croatian Partnership – VERN’ University

    "VERN’ University is officially recognized by Croatia’s Agency for Science and Higher Education (ASHE), ensuring compliance with national quality standards. However, please note that the MBA and DBA programs offered through this partnership are not accredited as programs and are not recognized under the Croatian educational system." (Source: https://ibas.edu.eu/doctoral-programs/doctor-of-business-administration/)
     
  3. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Lots of our medicines today, derive from plants and other natural compounds (e.g. aspirin as the famous example.) Lots of "alternative" practices are proven to have real benefit: acupuncture, hypnosis, meditation, etc. The problem is that these schools of naturopathy, alternative medicine, etc., never restrict themselves to the evidence base, or do research to refine and evolve their practice. They prescribe medicine/plants/herbs that will do nothing for the illness at hand, or practice treatments whose effectiveness has already been disproven in randomized controlled trials. That's the bone I have to pick with those disciplines.
     
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  4. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    So the Croatian validation grants institutional recognition but not program recognition which is fine because the Swiss school already has CHEA business program accreditation. The Asia e Malaysian school validation grants full recognition across the board but looks as though additional coursework is required since they are top-up degrees.
     
  5. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    CHEA doesn't do accreditation, and it's possible easily to overstate what accreditors being members of CHEA (and its various bodies) really means.
     
  6. Johann766

    Johann766 Active Member

    What I dislike about the VERN MBA/DBA is that the Diploma contains the word "certificate", that devalues it. Also the programs are pretty expensive considering that they are certificates.
     
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  7. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    The fact that they use "certificate" is an indicator that the degree is not fully recognized and that a foreign credential evaluator will likely give it a graduate credit only, graduate, or post-graduate certificate equivalency. Some still will grant no credit or continuing education equivalency. Others may indicate accredited institution / unaccredited program.
     
  8. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    I think you're right. Wasn't there some Polish institution we talked about around here a while ago that had a "DBA certificate" or something like that?
     
  9. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    We definitely did recently enough that I remember reading the discussion, but now my Google-fu is failing me. It's like having an itch you can't scratch!

    We discussed that situation here for France: DBA in Artificial Intellingence and Business - JUNIA - France | DegreeInfo
    Russia: Russian MBA and DBA. Total Tuition Below 10k | Page 2 | DegreeInfo
    Poland: Warsaw Management University | Page 2 | DegreeInfo (but this thread is from 5 years ago)

    In each case, the post-nominal is "DBA" but you aren't being awarded a Level 8 doctorate, or the equivalent qualification in the country whose university was awarding the credential. So the audience was mostly foreign students who did not know better.
     
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  10. Messdiener

    Messdiener Active Member

  11. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

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  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    This is what is available online:

    Degrees from Universidad Isabel I (UI1) are generally not recognized as equivalent to US regionally accredited (RA) credentials by default. The key distinction lies in the type of degree issued:

    • Títulos Oficiales (official degrees) from UI1, which are regulated by the Spanish government, have a higher chance of being recognized as equivalent to US RA degrees if evaluated by credential evaluation agencies.

    • Títulos Propios (proprietary/university-specific degrees), which are the majority of degrees offered through partnerships with institutions like ENEB, ISEB, etc., are not government-regulated and are usually not considered equivalent to US RA degrees.
    Títulos Propios: University-specific degrees created and awarded by the university itself, often in partnership with private institutions or for professional/vocational purposes.
    So these are not regulated by the Spanish Ministry of Education and are not considered "official" for certain purposes in Spain (e.g., public sector jobs, academic progression)
    The degrees from the listed institutions, when certified by Universidad Isabel I, are almost always títulos propio

    • They are legitimate, university-issued credentials.

    • They are not "official" degrees (títulos oficiales) in the Spanish system.

    • Their recognition outside Spain (including the US) depends on the policies of credential evaluators and employers.
    Not Equivalent to US Regional Accreditation: Títulos propios are not equivalent to degrees from US regionally accredited institutions. US regional accreditation is a rigorous, government-recognized standard for degree-granting institutions. Títulos propios do not meet this standard because they are not government-regulated degrees in Spain . In the US, these degrees are generally seen as professional certificates or continuing education rather than full academic degree
    Credential Evaluation: Some credential evaluation services (such as WES Canada) have recognized certain títulos propios as equivalent to a graduate diploma or, in rare cases, a master's degree, but this is not guaranteed and varies by evaluator and country
     
  13. armado

    armado New Member


    UCAM's DBA (título propio) has been recognized by WES US as equivalent to a Doctorate degree in the US

    https://www.degreeforum.net/mybb/Thread-WES-recognized-UCAM-s-DBA-t%C3%ADtulo-propio
     
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  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

  15. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It's a WES evaluation that opines that a doctorate from UCAM is the US equivalent to an earned doctorate.
     
  16. Dustin

    Dustin Well-Known Member

    Steve (or other mods) feel free to delete if it's impolite to post their image here.

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  17. cacoleman1983

    cacoleman1983 Well-Known Member

    The evaluation does not specify the program length. I believe had they specified 2 or 3 years, they would have given a Masters equivalent. WES has been known to rate professional doctorates completed internationally as Masters in the past. The unspecified length actually gives a bit of leeway as they had probably been using the length of these programs to justify rating them lower than research doctorates.
     
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  18. AsianStew

    AsianStew Moderator Staff Member

    Evaluations are going to differ for each NACES FCE and degree/institution it's from. I don't favor WES (Canada/US) evaluations and recommend people try others available, Canada has 6 and US has 13+. It's going to depend on what you're trying to do with the international program, for educational and professional development, or for employment or prospective resume building, even for immigration purposes.
     
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Indeed, the right evaluation depends on your goal—whether it’s for Professional or occupational licensing, education, professional development, employment, résumé enhancement, or immigration.

    It’s essential to check with the institution, employer, or authority requiring the evaluation to determine which FCEs they accept and what type of report is needed (e.g., General vs. Course-by-Course).
     

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