Schools with Universidad Isabel I Certified Programs

ENEB has the one exam deal, which makes it possible to earn 12 degrees in few months as it only takes 12 exams to earn them.
Most of the doctorates he has come schools that grant them based on work experience, previous achievements, etc. One can send the same portfolio of work experience to 20 schools and then get 20 propio doctorates from online universities. Notice that he does not have even one doctorate from a traditional school that requires dissertation and it comes from a ranked school but most from online schools or traditional schools that grant them as propio doctorates.
This just shows that the propio scheme can be abused. As the granting institution is just printing the diploma, they are not supervising research or asking for dissertation defenses but just printing a diploma that someone else granted.

 

Unfortunately, this is the new reality. I earned an MBA in two years full time in Canada but now my own university has a one year option. If ranked universities in Canada offer MBAs in one year, for online non ranked universities to compete they have to offer it in six months. Then you have the propio MBAs that are even less than regular official MBAs that need to offer it in 3 months or one exam deal to compete. At the end of the day, MBAs are non regulated so anyone can call themselves MBA with a one exam ENEB degree so it passes the HR system. To the average recruiter, the ENEB MBA or Mickey mouse University in Mexico is the same thing even if the second one is official, blah, blah. People need to get a job and if everyone has an MBA, then you need to get one fast and cheap just to get an interview. This will collapse at some point when half of the planet has an MBA but it can work for now so people are getting them for 100 bucks.

 

It's important to remember that we're dealing with non-official degrees in Spain. Listing 15 lifelong learning Master's degrees in the same category as country-recognized official degrees only adds to the confusion. Maybe it would be good to keep them in separate award categories on one’s cv/resume, or LinkedIn profile.

Source: https://eurydice.eacea.ec.europa.eu/eurypedia/spain/programmes-outside-bachelor-and-master-structure (extra note: while a final dissertation is listed as ‘compulsory’ that does not appear to be truly obligatory with some Spanish universities)

“On successful completion of one of these programmes, students receive a non-official degree or certificate issued by the university.”

“Universities must avoid any confusion between the names of their own degrees and those of the official degrees established within the European Higher Education Area (EHEA) structure.”

Universities must avoid confusion. But it appears that graduates may sow confusion by treating their attainments as being on par with official European degrees on resumes. Place them in a separate award category? Maybe it isn’t such a bad idea, especially if a person has not received an accredited Master’s degree classification as part of a Spanish propio credential evaluation in their country.

 

As a prospect hiring manager, the first thing I normally do is to search for profiles that hold a degree from the prospect university in linkedin and check if the holders hold jobs at the level of their degree. If I come with a profile with 13 degrees from a university in question, it does not matter to me the accreditation, official vs propio, etc. I would just blacklist the school period.

Isabel is shooting themselves in the foot with this network of hundreds of schools granting degrees for one exam. They might be accredited in Spain but categorized as a degree factory by employers. I thought University of Phoenix was a degree factory, yet you don't see people with 12 UoP degrees in one year.

 

I've been thinking about rather or not I should keep the ENEB Master Titulo Propios I just completed last month on my LinkedIn profile. It was too easy to stack the 3 that I have earned in just under a year.

 

I think it is perfectly fine to list them in your continuing education section or certification section as Master certificates. The issue comes when you show 3 masters degrees in your regular education section. You already hold two PhDs so then you are attracting too much attention to yourself with 3 masters degrees. When you have too many credentials, the perception is that you hold bogus or just easy degrees and then you will be target of mockery or ridicule.
There was a man once here that held 10 PhDs from places like Indian Board, Open international, etc. He left because he was getting too many people just mocking him. It is better just to have one PhD from a modest regular school than 10 from questionable schools.

 

Some of our forum regulars have already attained a higher than average number of degrees. Anything above 3 degrees could already signal a "problem." I would include myself here. We may not be in the "record-breaker" category, but could still look suspicious to HR with the regular degrees that we possess, even apart from any institution-specific credentials like propios. In my own case, I plan to list these unique Spanish degrees in a diferent category than my other degrees. I might even label them as 'non-official degrees'. I believe that I have good warrant for that type of sorting.

 

I totally agree. I can share my experience with an UK working permit, my visa was held for several months because the officer would not believe the number of degrees I have. More than 4 degrees just looks bad in your CV. Few understand the opportunity to earn propio degrees in short periods of time, getting degrees in 4 weeks from the big 4, etc.
If someone comes with 100 degrees like the fellow previously mentioned, this will be a no go for sure to any immigration officer or hiring manager. Why someone would want to have 100 degrees? It just looks like the person might not be mentally stable.

Carlton is already pushing the limits with his 2 PhDs and 4 masters degrees. Maybe he can share his experience and see if this has helped him to get more offers or the opposite.

 

Curious if you can remember this person's name. It would be interesting to read about.

 

I only have one PhD which is from Azteca/PhD. Azteca did not grant me a diploma but yes you are right, I have a lot of credentials as is and listing propios in the certification area will likely be the best thing to do. They felt more like continuing education certificates anyway instead of graduate programs with the effort I put into them. I actually understand why many evaluators refuse to evaluate or grant no academic credit for these.

 

Sorry, I thought you had one from the Nicaraguan School.
The Azteca degree is becoming popular. If you managed to the get the NACES certificate, that should be enough to use it for adjunct gigs and consulting.
There is a sea of new 100 bucks degrees from places in Latin America, Eastern Europe etc. I wonder how this is going to play in the market when people start stacking degrees and show resumes with multiple masters degrees. In Canada at least, the main differentiator now are designations or licenses. In business these are CPA, PMP, CFA, etc. MBAs are still useful but most employers look for ranked schools like UoT, McGill, etc. However, I think there is a market for the ENEB degrees like a person with no bachelor's degree that just needs a job as a sales man or administration assistant, the ENEB MBA can at least show enough to become an administrative assistant.

 

I think the gentleman previously cited has also degrees from Indian Board, Metaphysics, etc. An MD from the Indian Board would take 7 MC subjects that could be easily achieved in few months. This could give you the MD title that could be useful to be a health consultant, internet influencer, book writer. The internet is full of people with MDs from Indian schools that just differentiate them as MD(AM) to emphasize that is alternative and not traditional medicine but then you oversell it to become a speaker, conference speaker.
Metaphysics doctorates are also popular but they don't give the credibility of an MD.
In General, these degrees are used by people that want to impress the public with multiple doctorates with nice sounding names but many will not know that most of these credentials are 3 months doctorates. At least it appears that these credentials are or were legal in India as Alternative Medicine was not regulated so the schools were allowed to grant MDs as long as they were in AM.
In Canada now naturopathy is regulated with 4 year degrees doctorates that require residence and real work but not all provinces are regulated.

As for Isabel, I think some people can still impress an audience if they advertise with 12 masters in Finance, AI, Business, etc and become speakers, gurus, etc. At least in Canada, most people are not aware of the 3 months European Masters and the fact that they are European can add some credibility to the degrees but eventually you will have lots of people with multiple Masters from these schools so the public will learn that they are not very impressive.

 

I've been learning more about the Indian system recently. As many as 50% of the medical providers in India may not meet a Western standard of care or have any qualifications at all: https://www.dnaindia.com/health/report-on-the-quack-track-2289951.

There are programs in Unani, Ayurvedic and Electrohomeopathy that graduate people.

They seem to be regulated in that the degrees are technically valid, but much of the content is pseudoscience or outright quackery.

As the old joke goes, "What do you call alternative medicine that is proven to work? Medicine."

 

The one I earned was from UCN. Azteca didn't grant a diploma. I misquoted in my post when I said Azteca/PhD instead of Azteca/UCN. Those propio degrees though are beneficial for those who find them to meet a gap or bridge a gap in studies. I went ahead and added my 3 ENEB Masters to my certification / licensure section of LinkedIn and renamed them as Masters certificates which will match my IEE evaluation of graduate certificates as well as the fact I earned them for continuing education. I might use these to try and teach business at the college level as well as add the business technology specialty on my teaching licensure for secondary education and adult education.

 

I may get a lot of flak for this, but I've been rather open to a number of 'alternative' medical practices over the years, such as acupuncture, herbal treatments, etc. However, I've always thought that these were intended to support or work alongside the mainstream system ... or could be options for people whose mainstream options have all failed.

Having said so, I don't think I'd ever approach someone with a 3-month doctorate from any country for medical care. Are these MD(AM) degrees you mention coming from accredited universities in India? If so, how do they get away with acting like diploma mills whilst retaining their accreditation?

 

There is evidence based alternative medicine. In Canada, Naturopathic Doctors can prescribe medication and perform other regulated services such as diagnosis. Not too long time ago, things such as psychotherapy, psychoanalysis and psychology in general was considered also quackery. I believe in science, if you can prove that it works, it works regardless of the method.

 

The 3 month MD (AM) doctorate was an abuse of the system. Most of the graduates don't really practice but use the degree to be speakers, sell alternative medicine products, etc. The MD means nothing in India as the degree to practice medicine is the MBBS. The abuse comes from the fact that Americans recognize the MD degree so Indians target the american market with these qualifications and provide 3 month degrees with basic anatomy and some herbal remedies.
However, the same abuse is used by Americans selling their worthless PhDs in theology, metaphysics, etc in 3 months by abusing the religious based degrees laws. In Canada, people actually believe that a 3 months PhD from a theology american school is a real doctor and you have plenty of people using them to be coaches, speakers, etc. It is not any different.

 

Alternative medicine really is natural medicine. Psychology and psychotherapy can be considered natural medicine or alternative medicine. This joke just reflects the ignorance of some people that cannot take some time to look at the evolution of our medicine.

 

I can see now. Maybe it should be listed as PhD from UCN through AU. The AU is not official but propio but the UCN is, but AU provided the education and UCN granted the degree based on an agreement. This type of partnership is quite popular nowadays. Check for example http://www.vern.hr/. It is a European University providing PhDs via other private non accredited universities. Many of the private online schools come from France where it seems to be easy to set up an online private school that can grant propio degrees that then are validated by other places with official granting authority.