schiller

Hi guys:

I tried the search function but no luck.

Any info you can share about

SCHILLER INTERNATIONAL UNIVERSITY

www.schiller.edu

I think this school also owns one of the state (Wyoming) licensed schools (american city university).

Gracias !

 

ACCREDITATION

National Institutional and Specialized Accrediting Bodies

Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools

Business (SRCB) - Senior colleges of business including those with master's degree programs

http://www.ope.ed.gov/accreditation/Search.asp

Schiller International University is accredited but not by one of the six RA bodies or by DETC. Personally, I would not go with a university in the U.S. that is not RA or DETC.

 

Real....

It is a real, nationally accredited school with several campuses in Europe. They used to have one in Florida. They do a lot of semester overseas business. I used to party a few blocks away from the Heidelberg, Germany campus and can attest they have a real school with real classes. A friend took a few semesters of classes with them and transferred the credits back to Western Illinois University.

 

yes, they do have brick and mortar campuses over europe and at least the one I dropped by a while ago was even quite nice. However, there are also brick and mortar schools that I would not want to attend and Schiller International surely is one of them.

 

Morrison University?

Of about 250 institutions accredited by ACICS, nearly all are vocational and technical schools. Schiller is one of about half a dozen universities with ACICS accreditation, along with Armstrong University (which lost its regional accreditation for some exceedingly irregular behaviors and, as I recall, got its ACICS accreditation the day WASC booted them out).

Other ACICS universities are Teikyo Loretto Heights U, Florida Metropolitan U, U of Advancing Technology, Northwestern Polytechnic U, Morrison U, Lincoln U, and U of Northern Virginia. Clearly Schiller has come a long way since the time (early 80s) when, at least according to a clipping I have, they were essentially run from the kitchen table of the owner in Wisconsin.

Footnote: Morrison University? How can I never have heard of one of the only two accredited universities i the entire state of Nevada, and they've been there for 103 years! Unfortunately their website (morrison.edu) is not open for business today.

 

Did Teikyo Loretto Heights close? I've heard confusing reports on this.

 

Not sure, but their website is still up: www.tlhu.edu

 

Re: Morrison University?

http://www.morrison.neumont.edu/index.aspx

It appears it was bought by Neumont University (formerly Northface University) a couple years back.

 

But, as Dr. Bear points out, it's ACICS accredited; and ACICS, like DETC, is approved by the US Department of Education (USDE) and/or its Council for Higher Education Accreditation (CHEA) as a national accreditor (as opposed to a "regional" one).

It's just my opinion, of course, but I think that's defining, far too narrowly, which kinds of accreditation may (or should) actually be useful in any given situation.

If regional accreditation is the so-called "gold standard," it's only so because it's pretty much the only accreditation that most people have ever ever heard of; and because most grade schools, high schools, and institutions in state college/university systems are regionally accredited (as well as are most private colleges/universities that most people have ever heard of). So, whether or not there's really a rational reason for doing so, regionally-accredited coursework/credentials are more widely accepted and, therefore, have more utility than that which has either national or specialized/professional accreditation.

DETC is but one of several national accreditors. If DETC, as an accreditor, is now, in your mind, enjoying near-regional-accreditor status, then I say it's only because, this being a distance learning forum, and DETC being the big distance learning accreditor, that just happens to be the national accreditor with which you're most familiar... and whose standards you now, having hung around here for a while, trust.

However, other national and specialized/professional accreditors -- like ACICS, for example, just to name one -- have rigorous, high standards... most or even all of them, I dare say, or they wouldn't have USDE and/or CHEA approval; and coursework/credentials from the institutions which they accredit is, in most cases, every bit as good as that from regionally-accredited ones. Granted, for the reasons I cited above, such coursework/credentials may not be as universally accepted, but that doesn't mean they're substandard.

In my opinion, the best thing that could start happening in the world of accreditation is for USDE- and/or CHEA-approval (or what some call "approval by the US Secretary of Education) of accreditors to be the defining factor. If that would start happening, then coursework/credentials from institutions accredited by any agency on this list (PDF) would be acceptable to everyone, everywhere... else, what's USDE- and/or CHEA-approval for?

 

DETC?

Since when did DETC acquire such esteem? They too accredit some pretty, for lack of a better term, "shady" schools. Just because they are the biggest national accreditor should not give them any extra value than any other national accrediting body.

 

Re: DETC?

IMHO…Esteem, maybe not, but accreditation recognition, yes.

 

Re: Re: DETC?

Accreditation recognition is given by government agencies in this country. As long is the agency is recognized by CHEA or IDOE it has validity. I have never, ever saw any organization say "We accept schools accredited by RA or DETC". They say RA or RA and nationally accredited.

 

Re: Re: Re: DETC?

Not that I am disagreeing with what you are saying, but what I have stated is "In My Humble Opinion" (IMHO).

 

I know...

My brevity was for brevities sake and not meant as condemnation of your humble opinion......

 

Re: Real....

They still have the Dunedin Campus. I drive past it often.

 

Re: I know...

I agree that NA is NA, just like RA is RA, regardless of the accrediting agency. It is just my opinion that since DETC is better known, the average employer/HR personnel will less likely question it.

 

Re: Re: Re: DETC?

Just for kicks, I threw the phrase "regionally or DETC accredited" into Google. I got hits: there are apparently some schools, including as Jones International, Concord Law School, and Western Governor's University, that have exactly those accreditation requirements for certain programs. The Singapore Civil Service also requires US degrees to be either RA or DETC.

 

This is my favorite excerpt from the DETC FAQ.

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: DETC?

WGU accepts credits from any accredited school not just DETC. You missed the part added to the statement you googled that said "or its equivelant. That is the key to any of this. Anyone who takes detc will take another approved NA accreditor. If you don't believe me call them.

 

This misses the point of the USDoE and CHEA as they relate to nationally accredited schools awarding credits and degrees. Remember, this practice is a relatively recent one. DETC has been accrediting degree-granting schools in significant numbers for less than two decades. ACICS is even more raw, still trying to develop its standards. (It's standards for accrediting bachelor's degrees were drawn up by its one big school that awards them, and it is only now piloting the accreditation of master's degrees). Why would anyone expect all regionally accredited schools to suddenly ("suddenly" in higher educational terms) accept them as equals?

Acceptance of this practice--degrees being awarded by nationally accredited schools on a large scale--won't happen overnight, and won't happen all at once. An appreciation for this concept is aided by education and experience in this field, along with a sense of its history (which comes from being there for the last 25 years).