Saint Regis University---need HELP!

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by sammyspade, Jan 29, 2003.

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  1. sammyspade

    sammyspade member

    Michael, what are you running from? Let's go over this again: the NBOE owns St. Regis, right? NBOE may have "ACCREDITED" Saint Regis (hey, I'd say I was great too!), but the NBOE doesn't RECOGNIZE St. Regis, only the MOE can, and did. So the MOE recognizes Saint Regis as a legitimate institution of higher learning granting online degrees, and recognizes the NBOE as operating St. Regis. The NBOE "accreditation" means nothing--the recognition by the MOE means EVERYTHING. Got it?

    Saint Regis does in fact reside in Liberia, and I know first hand that this is so. Also, the Embassy confirms that Saint Regis is in LIBERIA (not Libia), as well as the MOE. Please KNOW before you post. You can of course believe me or not, but I know beyond a shadow of a doubt. Again, everyone can have whatever OPINION of this school, just don't bash it without facts. I did that, and it was wrong.
     
  2. DaveHayden

    DaveHayden New Member

    Bash it... what's to bash? It is a degreeMILL. Lol.
     
  3. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Sammy

    Liberia is an impoverished country in turmoil. Why they got into accrediting?? foreign schools has only to do long green.

    The schools are ridiculous and the Liberian government is ridiculous.

    What's next the Liberian State Church - free online ordinations and accredited honorary doctorates from $ 35.00. Give the ULC a run for their money.
     
  4. sammyspade

    sammyspade member

    Again, everyone is entitled to their own opinion. Why do you attack Liberia? Dave, it may have been a degree mill in the past, but is trying to recover from this--the MOE I think has stepped in and is trying to remedy this, from what I understand. We shall see. Man, there's so many "experts" on this board! :p [I just give opinions, and stir sh*t]
     
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  5. MichaelR

    MichaelR Member

    Just because a school is recognized by the government does not mean that the degree is equivelant to a degree in the states. There are several schools in Australia for example that are recognized by the government, but their degree's are not equivelant here in the states.

    Also, something interesting. I was reading the EULA. And basically their degree's are for your own personal use. I have yet to see a traditional college say that your degree is for your own personal use. Something else that strikes me as funny is that their EULA is the same as most of the Diploma Mill sites I have been too.
     
  6. bgossett

    bgossett New Member

    The odd shill, also.
     
  7. sammyspade

    sammyspade member

    I'm sorry, but what is EULA?
     
  8. MichaelR

    MichaelR Member

    eula

    End user liscense agreement. Its the legal mumbo jumbo on one of their pages.
     
  9. sammyspade

    sammyspade member

    Could you point me to which page?
     
  10. MichaelR

    MichaelR Member

  11. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Wow, talk about a disclaimer! If they aren't selling crap, why the legal stuff?

    The customer agrees that they are smart enough to receive a university degree. There goes the lawsuit for not teaching them how to read.
     
  12. sammyspade

    sammyspade member

    what's the problem with the EULA? No, other "traditional" universities may not have a "EULA", but other "traditional" schools do not offer degrees entirely on line either. I'm not a lwayer, but I don't see a problem with it. I don't know why it has "Commonwealth of Dominca" though. Must be using Dominca as a "tax shelter".

    Dennis, did you read the entire "EULA" [as Michael calls it]. Really, what's the problem?

    --you give permission to St. Regis staff to verify your previous employment, education etc.

    --St. Regis can terminate business with you at any time if your not dealing in "good faith"

    --you are at least 18 years old

    --you are not use degrees, documents, etc. from St. Regis for illegal purposes, and if you do, St. Regis is released from any harm.

    Hey, if I was giving degrees globally, I'd have some "CYA" too!

    What's the issue?
     
  13. MichaelR

    MichaelR Member

    the deal, is that its the same EULA that i have seen on diploma mill sites..... just an observation.

    Also, lets say some one like Excelsior, formerly Regents, totally legit school, and all online. They don't seem to have a need for a lengthy disclaimer.

    All I am saying is its very very fishy.
     
  14. sammyspade

    sammyspade member

    I'm not saying you're lieing, Mike. If you could direct me to other "diploma mills" that have the same verbage, I'd appreciate it. The "Commonwealth of Dominica" thing is what's fishy to me. I thought the MOE recognition is all it needed, tho.
     
  15. MichaelR

    MichaelR Member


    Quite all right.... gonna take some time to find it. We recently did an evaluation for a gentlman that sent it diploma mill degree in to be verified as authentic so he could become a principal. i did find this though, and found it interesting http://www.capitoluniversity.com/

    http://www.saintjohn.ws/page54.htm

    This is the Eula for Saint John University from Jamaica..... very simillar in wording. Capitol University didn't have a Eula, actually it does have one but the page was missing......
     
  16. Hey.. they might be have something, here. Perhaps they mean Moe recognition literally-- as in, recognized by my favorite of the Three Stooges?

    It just might carry more weight with credential evaluators.
     
  17. uncle janko

    uncle janko member

    Whooee! Read the fine print on that "St John's" page. You promise not to reveal the names of anybody connected with the place without prior permission??? Such unexampled modesty, so blushing, so coy...
     
  18. Paulie

    Paulie member

    As an SRU alumnus, I wish to share my experiences with those who may be interested in pursuing one of their degrees. Allow me to begin by stating that my decision to choose SRU as my degree provider was predicated upon the following issues:

    1. I was a working adult and father who did not have the time, and financial resources to complete my degree at a traditional institution.
    2. I was seeking a legal, verifiable, and accredited degree.
    3. I desired to complete the process in short order.

    My employer is a major software development company that has offices located in many different countries. Moreover, our US offices are heavily staffed with degreed individuals from other countries. Therefore, I knew that my employer had no aversion to accepting degrees from an institution that is not located in the US. (The head of our HR department is degreed from a foreign country.) My employer has accepted my degree, and I am satisfied. The contact that I had with my SRU advisor was pleasant and helpful. SRU delivered what I was seeking.

    SRU provided me with a credential that represents an education that I had received through both traditional college residencies, as well as the things that I have learned in my 44 years. SRU’s life experience programs are not intended to educate. They are intended to evaluate.

    I am more than pleased my SRU experience, and I recommend SRU to those who may be in the situation that I was in when I choose them.
     
  19. Paulie

    Paulie member

    I neglected to add...

    I neglected to state that my employer was company educational policy, and was requiring that people on my team “hold a degree.” The discipline that the degree was in was of no consequence. They simply required a verifiable, accredited degree. There was no stipulation as to the accrediting agency was from a foreign Ministry of Education or Regional US.

    I should add that I do not believe that the possession of an SRU degree replaces the education that one would receive at a traditional institution. SRU degrees quantify that you possess the equivalent knowledge.

    I was able to keep a position that I had held for several years, and satisfied my company’s requirements. My HR director did not” laugh at my degree or laugh me out the door.” To the contrary, I was told that it would have been a terrible mistake to let me go, just because I didn’t have a degree to validate the talent and knowledge that I displayed everyday on the job.

    Best of luck to all.
     
  20. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member


    The same excuse is given all the time, but the fact is that there are a lot options to get an accredited degree from a reputable institution for the same money. I'm not goingt to argue that your present employer might have accepted your degree since you might be a valuable employee and the degree wouldn't affect the perception of your ability to get the job done. However, try to apply to graduate school with that degree or try to apply for another position at a different company or for a federal goverment job and you will see that the utility of that degree will be very limited.

    There are plenty of degree mills that use the foreign accreditation from a country with a weak accreditation system in order to market themselves as "foreign accredited". Imagine if everyone could be given a degree based on his experience, we would have millions PhDs in marketing walking around because of their 30 years of experience as a car salesman. One cannot argue the value of a good experience, but it would be very dangerous to say that X years of experience are equivalent to a degree.
     

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