Saint Ambrose College??

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  1. ShotoJuku

    ShotoJuku New Member

    This comes from a posting over on online.degree.net ; can anyone share any info on this school and/or accreditor?


    Saint Ambrose College

    I would welcome any thoughts on Saint Ambrose College of Reno, Nevada http://www.saintambrose-edu.net and the Council on Accreditation of Catholic Colleges http://www.cacc-accredit.org
     
  2. cookderosa

    cookderosa Resident Chef

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    Awww bummer, I thought you were talking about the St. Ambrose in my area and you might be coming for a visit! (Davenport, IA).
     
  3. CalDog

    CalDog New Member

    The name of "St. Ambrose College" (in Reno, NV) is similar to that of regionally-accredited "St. Ambrose University" (in Davenport, IA). In fact, the Davenport school was known as "St. Ambrose College" throughout most of its history, between 1908 and 1987. However, the Reno "St. Ambrose College" appears to be completely unrelated.

    St. Ambrose College claims to be "fully accredited", with accreditation from the "Council on Accreditation of Catholic Colleges (CACC). The CACC claims to "meet US Dept. of Education standards", and links to a US DoE webpage. However, the CACC is not a US DoE-recognized accreditation agency.

    The CACC claims to have accredited 17 institutions, with St. Ambrose featured prominently as the "newest member". However, based on a Google search for "Council on Accreditation of Catholic Colleges," there are no schools -- other than St. Ambrose College -- that acknowledge any affililation with CACC.

    Both saintambrose-edu.net and cacc-accredit.org appear to be registered to the same company. Both names were created within two days of each other in November 2008.

    St. Ambrose College claims that its degrees will prepare young men for the priesthood, and links to the "Program of Priestly Formation" prepared by the US Conference of Catholic Bishops. However, there is no apparent evidence that St. Ambrose College is recognized by Roman Catholic authorities. St. Ambrose does indicate that its degrees are accepted by the "Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church", but this appears to be a much smaller and less well known denomination.

    I would suspect that "St. Ambrose College" degrees have little or no real-world recognition or value, except possibly (1) within the "Anglo-Lutheran Catholic Church" organization, and (2) if they are confused with legitimate "St. Ambrose University" degrees.
     
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  4. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    I wonder if the Nevada Archdiocese is aware of this school using the Catholic name? Also, a sneaky way around the .edu domain restriction.
     
  5. frkurt

    frkurt New Member

    There are many independent Catholic and Anglican churches out there (even more of late, it seems, because of the various turmoils in the Episcopal Church). The term "Catholic" is not strictly synonymous with the term "Roman Catholic", and many of the smaller denominations run their own seminaries. However, most of them acknowledge clearly that they are not accredited beyond their church's purview (and many have a .org rather than a .edu extension).

    k+
     
  6. John Bear

    John Bear Senior Member

    I had some communication with the founder a few weeks ago (he lives in the same town in Pennsylvania as the mailbox of the accreditor), which he declared to be privileged information . . . but I can find nothing to recommend here, and would advise extreme caution.
     
  7. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    The world of religion isn't unlike the world of online universities, except without accreditation or government licensing. That means that there are no end of imaginary religious denominations out there, sometimes with grand websites, the ecclesiastical answer to degree-mills.

    I've noticed that many of these plant themselves in the Anglican-style interface between Catholicism and Protestantism. That way they get independence from established denominational hierarchies while simultaneously retaining the episcopal framework that allows them to assume their own grandiose ecclesiastical titles.

    True enough, but the Program of Priestly Formation of the US Catholic Bishops is.

    The majority of degree mills seem to be seminaries. It's where the familiar temptation to pose as an authoritative doctor comes together and merges with the episcopal temptation to become an archbishop, carry a curtain rod and wear an outlandish hat.

    Laws exempting religious education from educational licensing makes awarding religious degrees as easy and as safe as it is to award ordinations and grand titles in imaginary church hierarchies. Pretty much anyone can legally do this stuff, which makes it rather meaningless unless it's known and trusted parties doing it.
     
  8. galtmilemedia

    galtmilemedia New Member

    good eye on the domain name. Not having a .edu is a cause for concern. Regis University and Regent University are better alternatives.
     
  9. profgoldblatt

    profgoldblatt New Member

    St. Ambrose University

    Try this link for

    St. Ambrose University
    518 West Locust Street
    Davenport, Iowa 52803

    http://www.sau.edu


    St. Ambrose University is a private, coeducational, liberal arts university affiliated with the Roman Catholic Diocese of Davenport. It is located in a residential area of Davenport, Iowa.

    St. Ambrose's mission statement is: St. Ambrose University — independent, diocesan, and Catholic — enables its students to develop intellectually, spiritually, ethically, socially, artistically, and physically to enrich their own lives and the lives of others.
     
  10. Tom H.

    Tom H. New Member

    Troll Alert

    Moderator,

    This Professor Leland Milton Goldblatt is a shill and a troll. His signature block contains the logos for 8 unaccredited schools and the photo of Orville Redenbacher. What the hell is going on here?

    Query this fraud's name in Google and you'll quickly understand as you view the results. His act is reminiscent of one "Isadore Weisberg" at the Google alt.education.distance group. Hate filled and full of crap with phony Hebrew phrases.
     
  11. Bruce

    Bruce Moderator

    This is what I posted in another thread;

    "Leland Milton (or Miltong) Goldblatt" is an Internet hoax going back to the days of the old usegroup alt.education.distance. I believe it was started by a group of NYU students who have long since graduated, so I have no idea who is carrying the torch now. My favorite was when I bagged them using a picture from the FBI's Most Wanted List as "Leland".

    I see it as harmless entertainment that sometimes inspires serious discussions about unaccredited schools.
     

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