Rogers State

Discussion in 'Business and MBA degrees' started by Kizmet, Oct 2, 2019.

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  1. Kizmet

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  2. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    So many MBA programs. I can understand why some people are having second thoughts about going into an MBA program. A trend I read about lately is the MSM (or MSML) picking up steam as new career seekers are looking to stand out from the crowd.
     
  3. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I still think the MBA has value although not as much as in the past. I would suggest that people consider one with a concentration and/or plan on earning some sort high-status cert afterwards. I am not in the business world per se but if I was going to just earn an MBA I'd seriously consider UPeople due to the rock-bottom price.
     
  4. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    The MBA definitely still has value. Employers are still asking for it, the proof is in the job ads. The issue that we've all discussed before is a heavily saturated market.

    UoP could work, but if a student is super-focused and looking for a good price, I'd say Western Governors should get a look. Plus, you have control over the pace with WGU whereas at UoP you're at the mercy of the semester schedule.
     
  5. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    Rogers State is here in my state of Oklahoma. As an Oklahoman who has an MBA, this is junk. I’m sorry but their business program holds zero accreditation. Nothing from AACSB, ACBSP or IACBE. Throw in the fact that the university I got my MBA from here in Oklahoma is AACSB accredited and the full program is $11,880 TOTAL, why would someone choose Rogers State? Seriously, for $1,000 more you get an AACSB accredited MBA.
     
  6. LearningAddict

    LearningAddict Well-Known Member

    'Junk' is not a fair conclusion. It's still a program offered by a regionally accredited institution that's been around for over 100 years. Most business programs actually don't hold any sort of programmatic accreditation. For instance, there are more than 7000 post-secondary programs in the United States, but AACSB only accredits about 850 business programs, and the rest are not all picked up by other programmatic accreditors.

    Besides that, the only employers I ever read about wanting a AACSB, ACBSP or IACBE accredited MBA are colleges seeking instructors. I'm sure there has to be an employer out there asking for an MBA with programmatic accreditation attached, but I'm also sure there are very, very, very few of them if any.
     
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  7. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    Junk was definitely strong wording. However, I still stand by my statement of spending $1,000 more for a program that has programmatic accreditation. Never know when you will need it.
     
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  8. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    I guess the short answer is that there are lots of people who don't really care about all that extra accreditation. Let's say, for example, that you're just a guy who runs a small business and you want to learn some more about running a business. Why would you care about AACSB?
     
  9. Marcus Aurelius

    Marcus Aurelius Active Member

    AACSB (and the other alphabet soup of business accreditors) does not designate some sort of superior academic product. Because AACSB places a heavy emphasis on research, many smaller schools are not able to obtain this accreditation.

    Does this mean their business degrees are inferior? Not at all.

    Probably the best measure of value for any degree program is whether it is useful in achieving your goals. If a non-AACSB degree leads to the job or career you are seeking, then I would not call it junk.
     
  10. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    I said this before, SUNO (Southern University at New Orleans) has one of the lowest graduation rates in the country. However, it's AACSB accredited. As far as I'm concerned, AACSB doesn't equate to quality.
     
  11. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    Small business owners most likely would not care.
     
  12. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    But if one compares the programs accredited by AACSB and the others, it is easy to see that AACSB typically accredits superior programs. I think every program has its place.
     
  13. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    My MBA program university is small. It is not a large school. The instructors are obviously involved in research but also heavily involved in teaching.
     
  14. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    If you want to talk about superior, mention Wharton, Stanford, Sloan, Harvard, and so on. There's nothing superior about the MBA program you completed. There's nothing superior about Lamar University where I earned my M.S., and which has an AACSB accredited program. There's nothing superior about LSU Shreveport which has an AACSB accredited program. The average tier-2 regionally ranked or nationally ranked schools have AACSB... nothing special, IMO!
     
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  15. Marcus Aurelius

    Marcus Aurelius Active Member

    Easy to see? I must need glasses then.
     
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  16. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    I never said my program is superior. It was a generalized statement saying programs such as MIT, Harvard, Yale, Duke, etc. are all accredited by AACSB. Heck, a friend of mine who graduated from my undergrad at ECU went on to Duke and got his MBA and after spending time as CFO of Nike and Guess is now the President and CEO of US Polo...Michael Prince. He went to a FAR superior program than I did and it shows. My statement was taken out of context as I was specifically alluring to the Ivy Leagues and a select few of other programs.
     
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  17. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    Yes because AACSB accredited Harvard, Yale, MIT, etc. ACBSP and IACBE accredit programs like Walden, Capella, University of Phoenix, etc. Now, I am not saying those programs do not put out good graduates but in terms of reputation and so forth, they are far less superior than the upper end AACSB accredited programs.
     
  18. JoshD

    JoshD Well-Known Member

    All that said, I know that there is an audience for this program and it will serve its purpose. Growing up in the state, I am not particularly fond of Rogers State but that is just my opinion.
     
  19. chrisjm18

    chrisjm18 Well-Known Member

    Don't leave out Grand Canyon, the school you're considering for your doctorate. It has the same type of "2nd tier" business accreditation as the others you mentioned. Let me deviate from business accreditation for a little. Walden, Capella, Liberty, Regent, etc. hold CACREP accreditation for their Ph.D. in Counselor Education and Supervision programs. Are any of these schools on the same level as Penn State, a school with a CACREP accredited Ph.D. in Counselor Education and Supervision? I doubt it. Let's look at the former Argosy, a school that had an APA accredited Psy.D. Can this school be compared in superiority with George Washington University which also has an APA accredited Psy.D.?! Being accredited by the same accreditation body doesn't mean that all the programs have the same reputation. So, because a school has AACSB accreditation, it does not mean that the programs are inherently superior.
     
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