Riots in UK

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Lerner, Aug 5, 2024.

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  1. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    He also lost two lawsuits for racial discrimination, so it isn't surprising that Elon Musk and the rest of the Trump cult are supporting the violent, low class, white supremacist street gangs in the UK.
     
  2. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I really don't understand Lerner's arguments about Islamophobia. I assume that is what made him decide that the white supremacists in the UK are not really white supremacists? Anyway here is an article where the anti-white supremacists in the UK seems to have upset the racists' agenda, at least for a day.

    ‘More of us than you’: Thousands of anti-racism protesters turn out to counter far-right rallies in UK
    https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/07/uk/uk-far-right-counter-protests-intl?cid=ios_app
     
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  3. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    White supremacists piggyback, they definitely part of the violent protests, riots.
    The issue is more complex.
    There is a mix of hate of Islamists and Islamist migrants and multiple agendas.
    The Jihadists pose major risk and creating real security problems.
     
  4. Garp

    Garp Well-Known Member

    He was not convicted but found liable in a civil case of "sexual abuse". I believe the standard there is preponderance, which as one judge told me once, is a very low low standard (51% in terms of evidence).

    This issue has been misused and spun by surrogates of the Democratic Party. Again, note that I am not a Trump fan. But Democratic Party surrogates are not above this sort of thing (remember the Steele Dossier and urine thing...fake AND the debunked Vance couch thing....fake). Democratic Party surrogates lied and spread misinformation. Anything to confuse, demean, and win.
     
  5. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I think that I have mentioned many times that, as a general rule of thumb, reliable sources are the way to go when consuming news. I have not read any reliable sources that support your assertions for the UK race riots.
     
    Last edited: Aug 8, 2024
  6. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    I Can't Believe This Is The UK'
    "As a 75 year old English woman I am sitting crying at the utter chaos in my country.
    What would my Father and Grandfather think after protecting this country in 2 world wars."

     
  7. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

  8. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    If those posts were supposed to be any support to your unsupported assertions about Jihadists, Islamist and Islamist immigrants in the UK race riots, I don't see any relevance.

    Again the general worldwide hate of Israel that is spreading has more to do with the daily images of mangled dead women and children coming out of Gaza. This is Netanyahu's fault. I've read reporting that even the IDF is now saying that they need to cease current operations. Those plans are not working. They are not accomplishing the goal of destroying Hamas.
     
  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    I have mentioned many times how Netanyahu's continued operations in Gaza is hurting Israel. He is hurting Israel by feeding the daily news videos of dead women and children in Gaza. This is making regular people think that Israel is bad and even evil, not just Jihadists and Islamists but other people normally uninterested and unconcerned with Israel.

    I read an article about a fellow that wrote a horrible opinion piece that demonstrates this problem. That is the problem of people uninvolved with Israel, people previously uninterested in and poorly informed about Israel becoming angry and bothered with Israel.

    Belgian publisher removes opinion column that described an urge to stab ‘every Jew’ over Gaza
    https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/08/europe/belgian-columnist-antisemitism-accusations-intl-scli/index.html

    Now admittedly the fellow wrote a very bad article. It was an article that was so bad they took the article down. What it demonstrates though is how Netanyahu is hurting Israel's reputation in the world by continuing the current operation in Israel. He needs to get on board with a ceasefire that returns all the hostages.
     
  10. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Violence is not a solution.
    What I'm told by my friends in UK, it's a mob mentality due to rise in crime, Violence, rapes of British women by migrants, and other accusations that people who knew better times, blame on arrival of "savages" people with very different mentality that change Britain for worse, a lot worse.
    They want to save UK, it's what I hear.
    Culturally etc.
    What I think doesent count.
    I had my ancestors escape programs, and expulsion, it's always tragic, when unjustified.
    Immigration systems in many countries screen migrants for a reason.
    Brits praise Poland and Hungary for recognizing the threat and closing the borders to the problematic migrants that pose danger culturally, and safety wise.
    Even if economy may suffer.
     
  11. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    White Brits have been stabbing each other by the thousands for a long time, long before the influx of Muslim immigrants and refugees. Brits and Americans have a lot in common because of our history, but since the British don't have easy access to guns, they stab people.
     
  12. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Screening who comes in to a country and providing security to the public is an important role that governments fulfill.
    I'm told that the outcry in the UK against "hostile" populations that were allowed to settle in the UK, is that they destroy the UK with incompatible culture, not assimilating but spreading the same things that caused them to flee their own countries.
    Some European countries realized in time and control the migration, they are saving their countries culturally and the people of the country are more secure.
    Each country has the right to handle their immigration policies.
    This is not to say that refugees should be denied help. It means better ways to integrate migrants in to the existing culture. This requires budgets and immigrant absorption policies.
    Increased law enforcement. Promote success, of migrants that do integrate successfully in to the country's society. But when toxic ghetto is created and expending, it creates the hostility, crime etc.
     
  13. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

  14. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member



    Pro-Palestine protesters leaving Aussies feeling ‘threatened’ in their own homes.

    "They'll assimilate", they said. "They'll respect our culture," they said. "They're peaceful," they said.
    They lied.

    The captured documents in Gaza, indicate plans to attack Jews.
    Maps and documents recovered from Hamas reveal a coordinated plan to target Jews, children, women and anyone in Israel and abroad.
     
  15. SteveFoerster

    SteveFoerster Resident Gadfly Staff Member

    It sounds like you're making a dubious assumption that the protesters are foreign.
     
  16. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Footage and screenshot show some are foreign.

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  17. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

  18. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    These photos seem to show completely peaceful protesters. The quote was describing violent protesters. Of course some sympathizers in third countries to the Palestinian cause will carry Palestinian flags, much as some sympathizers in third countries to the Israeli cause will carry Israeli flags.
     
  19. Lerner

    Lerner Well-Known Member

    Hear the anger of the Brits on both sides.
    Sad it came to this.

     
  20. tadj

    tadj Well-Known Member

    This is a fine assessment of the riots coming from a prominent British sociologist, professor Frank Furedi (https://www.kent.ac.uk/social-policy-sociology-social-research/people/1988/furedi-frank)

    Twelve theses on the distorted representation of the communal conflicts raging throughout the United Kingdom. On the politics of fear pursued by the British Government and its collaborators in the media and the NGO complex.

    Link: https://archive.is/flLHc

    The media narrative that endowed the EDL and various right-wing individuals with formidable organising resources was and remains the
    invention of the propaganda machine of the British Establishment. No doubt right wing activists posted provocative statements on the social media and a handful participated in rioting. But their influence has been blown out of proportion to inflate the role and the threat posed by the far right.

    If anyone is responsible for fanning the flames of unrest during the days following the initial riots it is the propaganda promoted by the British political class. It adopted a classical form of the politics of fear and constantly communicated an alarmist narrative about the scale of the threat posed by the rioters to the fabric of society. For example, warnings about the possibility of 30 riots erupting because of the activities of the far right are paradigmatic in this respect. There was no organised timetable for orchestrating riotous protests.

    The goal of the Government’s propaganda activity was to silence the views of protestors and rioters and displace their concerns with the claim that minority communities were facing an unprecedented attack by politically motivated groups of racists. In effect the Government launched a disinformation campaign that sought to represents the riots as a form terrorist activity designed to intimidate minority communities. In this way anyone who signalled their understanding of the concerns of the rioters could be labelled as a far-right sympathiser. In particular, anyone who dares to draw attention to the downside of uncontrolled mass migration is liable to become a walking target of multi-cultural identity policing.

    One of the most remarkable developments of recent events was the speed with which the media, the Government and a network of NGOs joined together to invent a story about a nation confronting the threat of fascism. Nick Lowles, of the NGO Hope not Hate, personifies the approach adopted by this coalition. Lowles was forced to admit that his widely publicised story about an acid attack on a Muslim was a work of fantasy. But the promotion of fake news about the threat posed by the riots was rarely exposed to media scrutiny.

    Communal tensions and conflict prevail in many parts of Britain and people who perceive themselves as British or English feel marginalised and ignored by the institutions of the state. They feel that their voice is ignored and that they have in effect become dispossessed of their cultural legacy and way of life. They have no place in a world where Identity is everything. Tragically, some of them have responded to their predicament by embracing the identity of being white. In the current conjuncture, where public life is intensely racialised, a white identity will always come across as hyper-racist.
     

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