RID now requires Interpreters to get CEUs in leftist propoganda

Discussion in 'Political Discussions' started by Maniac Craniac, May 18, 2019.

  1. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    10 hours for every cycle.


    Well, it's all here isn't it? Social Justice. Intersectionality. Identity Politics. The Oppression Olympics. Marxist conflict theory. Microaggressions. If you're born a certain way (white, straight, male, non-trans , you have "privilege" and need to humble yourself before the tribunal of diversity.

    Now, when a certain political ideology is enforced in public and higher education, is propagated as incontrovertible fact by the mainstream media, is the dominant thematic agenda of the movie, music and television industries, is not allowed to be disagreed with on any social media platform and NOW is an ongoing "educational" requirement for professional certification...

    ...who are the oppressors, again?
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  2. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    You think white men are oppressed in America? That's the funniest thing I've read this week. They're one of the wealthiest demographics in the U.S., and they make up the majority of elected politicians. Wow, they really have it hard. I wonder who made up the entirety of state senators who passed that draconian abortion law in Alabama forcing women who were raped by family members to have their rapists' children.
  3. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    And now, today's riddle:

    What do diversity and social justice/liberation studies have to do with certifying interpreters for the deaf?

    Answer: About the same thing as Alabama's new abortion law has to do with distance education.

    As always, I laugh at both sides. OTOH, I don't anticipate needing an abortion in the near future. :D
  4. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    Capitalism? Nationalism? A soft caste system?

    *stares in Twitter*

    Plenty of students have survived 10 hours of classes from a world view they dissented from, in one direction or another. How oppressive is this 10 hours really going to be?
  5. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Strawman argument.

    Ecological fallacy.

    Now you're so far off topic that I wonder if you know what post you're responding to.
  6. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Twitter is notorious for banning people who criticize SJW/Identity Politics/Intersectionality under false pretenses.

    10 hours every cycle for the rest of someone's career. This is a lifetime of ideological dogma as a requirement to stay in a particular profession.

    Why do Sign Language interpreters need to be taught how to be good leftists and avoid thoughtcrime in order to work in the profession?

    I'll add another- how do they have the audacity to claim that these CEUs are about diversity when they exist to propagate a single political/social agenda to the exclusion of all difference of opinion?

    It IS oppressive when political activists use institutional power to coerce universal compliance.
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  7. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    Well, do you think white (straight, cis) men are oppressed in America? Your argument seems to include that white straight cis men are being wronged ("need to humble yourself before the tribunal of diversity"), and that the wrongs are part of a set or system reasonably described as oppression ("who are the oppressors again?")

    When someone like Milo Yiannopoulos or Tommy Robinson gets kicked out of one thing after another, maybe the reason isn't false pretense.

    Is there only one provider from which RID members can get CEUs in the content area Power, Privilege & Oppression? Couldn't someone organize 10 hours of continuing education in the subjects listed from a conservative or classically liberal world view? It could work out something like the culturally conservative religious colleges that get their law schools accredited by the ABA or their social work programs accredited by the CSWE.
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  8. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    You did say that these social justice people might be the oppressors. Who are they oppressing? You implied cisgender white men even though they have the most power in this country.

    Are they giving certain groups unreasonably long sentences for the same crimes committed by other groups. Are they denying certain groups economic opportunities? Are they passing legislation that makes it harder for certain groups to vote? Have they enslaved anyone? Who are they oppressing, and how are they doing it?
  9. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I know you can't read well, but this is the politics sub-forum. If you have no interest in it, then you could...you know...not read it. This thread is not about distance education.

    Cultural diversity courses are commonly required of licensed professionals who deal with the public. Believe it or not, not all deaf people are straight, white males. There are cultural differences that you have to be able to navigate.
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  10. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    You're mad that social media companies are banning white supremacists and black supremacists who spew anti-Semitic propaganda? These are private companies. They have the right to ban who they want just like Christians have the right to refuse services to gay couples and Christian companies have the right not to cover birth control under their health insurance plans.
  11. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I spent 13+ years in school learning about old, straight, white men, and that knowledge has had little to nothing to do with most of my jobs as an adult. I didn't realize I was being oppressed when being taught a whitewashed version of American history. Thanks for the info. Real first world problems right here. This is on the level of Native Americans being forced off their land and 100 years of Jim Crow.
  12. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Would you like a little cheese with your whine? :rolleyes:
  13. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I know you hate women, but I'm not the one who is whining. Once again, you've shown that you have poor reading comprehension. My post is clearly sarcastic and is pointing out the ridiculousness of comparing a continuing education requirement to oppression. You have nothing to say about the real whining, which you frequently engage in when someone has something to say about your degree mill alma mater or your impressive career in trucking.
  14. sanantone

    sanantone Well-Known Member

    I was "oppressed" when I had to learn a whitewashed version of Texas history throughout school. Not once did they mention the lynchings of hundreds of Mexicans after the Texas Revolutionary War. They made the American immigrants sound like heroes even though one of the reasons why they started the war was because Mexico wanted to abolish slavery in Texas.

    So, these Americans moved to Mexican territory for better opportunities, and they threw one of the biggest tantrums in North American history because they didn't like the laws. But, most certainly, lynchings aren't nearly as bad as a 10-hour course in social justice.
  15. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    In light of your patronizing statements in the first quote, not to mention your chronic trashing of my regionally accredited doctorate and my later career, a choice I have never regretted, your statement in the second quote is almost starting to become attractive.
    Your behavior, sanantone, is racist, sexist, and a joke when you consider your continuing failure to earn the doctorate you have allegedly been pursuing for years. (Personally, I predict that you will never earn a doctorate.) When called out on your racism and sexism, you resort to personal attacks. You are so delightfully knowledgeable about distance education that it's a shame you feel the need to discredit yourself through your condescending behavior.

    Therefore, at this juncture in our little discourse, my response to your second quote is that it would depend on who is being lynched. My criteria is based on neither race nor gender, but solely on personality. As for your whining, that is something that bugs me, also regardless of your race or gender. But it doesn't prevent me from laughing at you and the fact that you are ultimately an abject failure.
  16. Jonathan Whatley

    Jonathan Whatley Well-Known Member

    There's nothing wrong with choosing honest blue-collar work. There's nothing wrong with choosing to pause, slow-walk, or step away from an honest academic program. We can disagree on a lot but these two things seem pretty foundational to why we're all here.
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  17. Maniac Craniac

    Maniac Craniac Moderator Staff Member

    Wow. Way to miss the point, my peeps.

    Whether or not a person is a good leftist, a good centrist, a good right winger, a good anarchist or a good cosplayer has ABSOLUTELY ZERO to do with whether one is qualified to work as a Sign Language interpreter and has no business being included in the requirements for professional credentials.

    *It is possible to obtain employment as a Sign Language Interpreter without being RID certified, but it is a legally mandated requirement in some states, is a requirement from many employers and freelance agencies, and the pay discrepancy between uncertified and certified interpreters is substantial.

    RID isn't the only provider of CEUs, but they only accept CEUs from approved sponsors that will ensure that CEUs granted in a given content area won't deviate from the prescribed criteria. It is possible to do independent study projects for CEUs, but those would also have to comply.

    The subjects in question consist of scarcely anything more than leftist activist coinages and euphemisms. To get an alternate take on the subjects would be like getting the atheist perspective on when Jesus will return.

    I'm interested in what you think as to whether or not social minority history should be integrated into the general curriculum, or if it should be taught as separate subjects. I used to think the former, but I came to realize that history is such an unwieldy subject- it covers every single thing that has ever happened all the way up until this exact moment in time :eek::eek::eek: and, maybe, the best way to teach it is through overarching narratives that arise when we have the benefit of hindsight. African American History was one of my favorite courses in high school and I don't think it would have been near as powerful of an experience if the topics and historical figures were just weaved into a regular American History course.

    There are plenty of things that are not as bad as lynchings that are still bad. This thread is about one of them.

    Which have the right to control their own product, but that doesn't mean that what they are doing isn't bad, and that doesn't mean that they shouldn't be exposed and criticized for doing it.
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  18. Ted Heiks

    Ted Heiks Moderator and Distinguished Senior Member Staff Member

    I don't think it would have been near as powerful of an experience if the topics and historical figures were just weaved into a regular American History course.

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  19. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator Staff Member

    I know virtually nothing about interpreting, ASL, etc. but it would appear that you are holding a minority opinion on this matter.
  20. Steve Levicoff

    Steve Levicoff Well-Known Member

    Well, if I must, I must . . . I'm with Maniac all the way on this one.

    I approach it from the same perspective as the government's position on religion, which is, according to the U.S. Supreme Court: "Neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance . . . Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups and vice versa." [Everson v. Board of Education, 300 U.S. 1, 5-6 (1947).]

    In short, Uncle Sam cannot have a position in this area, whether for or against.

    Let's relate that to the certification and, perhaps, licensure of ASL interpreters. They are certified and/or licensed, presumably, based on their abilities to do the job. They will include both liberals and conservatives, potentially left and right wingers, people of all stripes. Here we have a private organization, RID, which has become, by default, the primary certification body for interpreters, just as the NCCB is the primary certification board for licensed professional counselors. It doesn't matter whether RID takes a particular position on social issues, just as it would matter if they took a particular position on, say, abortion. The question, which I think has legitimately been raised by Maniac, is why they would take a position on an issue unrelated to interpretation, why they would force that position on people going for professional certification, and whether they might actually be breaking the law by forcing this requirement on anyone. Moreover, if RID is granted status as an official agency in the licensure process for interpreters, it can be construed by the courts that their action is, in fact, unconstitutional.

    In short, my position is that RID sucks eggs. It doesn't matter to me whether they have a left or right wing agenda, what matters is that they have a social agenda at all, one that is irrelevant to the field of interpretation. It's like some of the numbnuts here on DI who preach their hairless balls off about, um, whatever . . . I'm against people with agendas, period. That's why I laugh at those on both sides of the fence.
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