Republicans still believe Trump's election loss was the result of a rigged election

I don't see how you can say this. There is no evidence--even after 10 months--supporting any of these claims. Since you can't disprove a non-event, there's to way to stop this except to confront it every single time. And because it has been refuted at every step--and never supported with evidence--repeating these things is the exact same thing as saying them yourself.

If you think this has been confrontational, I accuse you of being assaultive with your posts. They're filled with misinformation and support a hateful cause and you know it. You are the one creating conflict.

 

My posts are relevant to the tread.
The people who performed the actions are assaultive to you. I don't hate anybody here.
As I mentioned earlier I don't think they were hateful, but the responses to these posts were more hateful.
But I do realize that this info is not welcome here.
And if its offensive I will not post it. Have better things to do.

 

I agree that your posts are relevant to this thread. I think that your posts are a good example of what is wrong with the Republican party right now. That is that a large portion of the Republican party does not believe in reality. With only a very few exceptions almost all party leaders are spreading lies which hurt our country. Spreading the lie or at least not speaking out against the Big Lie. This is caustic to our democracy. It means that Trump or someone like him that tries to execute a coup again is more likely to succeed. If Trump had won this 2020 election it seems clear to me that he would have spent the next 4 years trying to get himself installed as President for life. The state of the current Republican party indicates to me that the Republican base would likely support such an anti-democracy move. These are real threats and I think this is the type of thing that Rich is rightly concerned about. All that we can really due is try our best to try and expose these caustic dangerous lies.

 

All I was trying is to engage in this tread and show another side, I understand what Rich and others are saying.
But it is the current situation, CNN also reports on this and provides their commentary about it. Obviously not Mike Lindell friendly.
But it got their attention as well.
Mr Lendell is saying he has some new evidence that he spent millions to get these and the reporter confronts him in person.
Hope this is not offencive to anybody and again I don't hate anybody here.
As to the state of the current republican party , I would say 2022 is around the corner and they have many issues to work on, from Southern border crisis , the pandemic that appears to become something that is not going away any time soon, to seriously rising crime etc etc.
There are signs of by partizan work on the infrastructure bill.

 

bipartisan I meant,

 

I think it is obvious that you don't hate anybody here. I really don't think anyone was thinking that.

 

they are OK with Trump's attempted coup, lead assault on voting, spread the Big Lie, and hope to win by flaming anti-immigrant hysteria. In other words, a fascist movement. Which you support, presumably BECAUSE it's fascist.

Oh, and they also prevent mask and vaccine mandates. Thanks to Gregg Abbott, my children are due to return to school where majority will be maskless, and face peer pressure to take off their masks as well. In other words, your political representatives put my children in physical danger to prop up ideology and please Comrade Secretary General Trump.

I see no redeeming value in today's GOP, none at all. Country may need an intelligent conservative camp; GOP as an entity is not it.

 

My youngest son is a teacher in public school. So the issue of masks and return to schools directly touches my family.
I live in democrat run sate but sounds somewhat more restrictive polices. My son will be teaching in a class were all required to wear a masks including all teachers.
GOP is accusing Dems current administration of transporting COVID 19 migrants to cities across US increasing infections.
What is being done on the border crisis?
Violent crime highly increased what is being done on that front?
And many other issues.
GOP is pedaling back claiming Jan 6 wasn't a coup.

number of Republican lawmakers are propagating a false portrayal of the Jan. 6

https://apnews.com/article/politics-michael-pence-donald-trump-election-2020-capitol-siege-549829098c84b9b8de3012673a104a4c

 

This is some 5-alarm-fire nonsense. It is a lie and you're repeating that lie.

 

You are believing lies. The border rules left by the Trump administration have not been changed by Biden. The only exception is the order that unaccompanied minors were being sent back across the border by themselves.

 

Fox news were reporting this and DeSantes etc.

I read on CBS the following that supports what Bill posted.

The Biden administration on Monday said that it would indefinitely continue the Trump-era policy of swiftly expelling migrants and asylum-seekers from the U.S., citing the rapidly-spreading COVID-19 Delta variant and the highest number of unlawful border crossings in over 20 years.

Rochelle Walensky, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), issued a new order supporting the continued enforcement of the Title 42 public health authority, which was first invoked by the Trump administration in March 2020 to shutter U.S. borders to migrants.

 

The Claim

The Facts,

The Ruling

Half True.

 

If covid isn't that bad, what does this matter?
If covid is that bad, why aren't Republicans gung-ho for masks and vaccinations?
You literally JUST posted a video on Fox where they are basically mocking people for being concerned about the unmasked college students at the music festival.
You can't be concerned about migrants and not be concerned about college kids spreading covid without some massive cognitive dissonance.
Which GOP has in spades.

 

From early on I chose to listen to what CDC recommends instead of politicians.
Some in GOP have issue even trusting Dr Fauci.
GOP depends who you ask there say if I understand correctly criticize restrictions as hypocritical especially in Republican states that are being swept up by the new Delta variant.

Look when last year one asked VP Harris if she would trust the vaccine and get vaccinated she responded:
in an Oct. 7, 2020, vice presidential debate if she would take a vaccine if the Trump administration approved one.
she said:
"If the public health professionals, if Dr. Fauci, if the doctors tell us that we should take it, I’ll be the first in line to take it. Absolutely.
But if Donald Trump tells us that we should take it, I’m not taking it."

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If you ask Trump

Trump estimates 100 million dead from COVID-19 without his vaccine efforts
Daniel Chaitin
Sat, August 7, 2021, 10:42 PM
Former President Donald Trump estimated up to 100 million people would have died from COVID-19 without his administration's efforts to spur the development of vaccines.
If not for Operation Warp Speed, which was the name of the Trump administration’s initiative to develop vaccines quickly to protect the public from the coronavirus,
Trump said the health crisis death toll would be similar to that of the Spanish Flu pandemic more than a century ago.
President Joe Biden suggested his administration needed to start the vaccine process “from scratch," but Trump loyalists argued early Biden vaccination projections merely required the new president to continue at the rate begun by his predecessor.

16.5 million vaccines were delivered under President Trump by January 20th, an average of 900,000 per day - a wide miss of Trump's target of 20 million doses being delivered by the end of 2020.

Upon taking office, President Biden called these figures "a dismal failure."

Under President Biden, 333.5 million doses of vaccines have been delivered, but anti-vaxx rhetoric now grips Republican states that are being swept up by the new Delta variant.

My opinion is to follow what CDC, and professionals in this area recommend.
In Russian there is a saying

• Бережёного Бог бережёт.

 

Believing this stuff is an act of deliberate ignorance. Repeating this stuff is SPREADING ignorance.
Where does the figure "100 million" come from? Hard to tell; assuming everyone gets infected and best-estimate mortality rate, it'd be in the millions but not 100 mil. Close to what Trump actually tried and failed to promote, under "herd immunity" moniker - let the disease spread so all get immune naturally. He is bragging that he failed to kill more Americans, despite his worst efforts.

 

Yes, this is how Ron DeathSantis wants to frame it. Reality is this: new Covid cases in Mexico are 13 per 100,000; in DeathSantis' Florida: 90 per 100,000. Which is something that DOES affect me directly, Ler bro: I'm in TX, which is another FL-like GOP Cult-run hotspot under Comrade Abbot. I have close friends in Florida, an immigrant family who inexplicably voted for Trump. Looks like they fled the state from COVID.

It is transparent why your dear leaders and Fascist News spread this particular mantra. It is to label immigrants, downgrading them from "invasion" to "infestation"; from barbaric hordes to subhuman. One would think that being a person with a foreign accent thick enough to still trip up speech-to-text software after decades in this country (yes, that's you) would give one perspective not to join in with such passion.

 

They play both sides of it. They want Trump to get credit for saving lives instead of blame for killing hundreds of thousands of people who didn't have to die. But they also want to tell you those death tolls are highly inflated, that most of those people died from something else and the deaths were "Covid-related."

"No, he didn't die of a heart attack. He died when he stopped breathing after it. It was heart attack-related." That kind of nonsense.

 

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/08/politics/bill-cassidy-masks-ron-desantis-cnntv/index.html


Washington(CNN)Louisiana Republican Sen. Bill Cassidy on Sunday said he disagrees with Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis' ban on local school officials imposing mask mandates amid a surge in Covid-19 cases in the state, arguing that local officials should control health safety measures in their communities during public health crises.

"The local official should have control here. I don't want top down from Washington, DC. I don't want top down from a governor's office," Cassidy, who is also a physician, told CNN's Dana Bash on "State of the Union" when asked if he disagreed with the order from DeSantis, a fellow Republican.

 

A really big hot button for the Republican base is immigrants. For at least 20 years the Republican leaders and the right biased media has used that as their favorite go to issue to activate and get their base excited. They twist it every which way to fit into all kinds of unrelated conversations because it gets them viewers, readers and donations. We probably could have passed laws years ago to lessen this problem. The Republican leaders don't want the problem solved because it is too valuable to them just the way it is. Much better to let it fester and use it in the next upcoming election to rake in more donations.

 

Anyone get Trump’s “Offical Nazi Membership Card” in the mail? Is this really where our society is?! Sigh… does this mean Godwin’s law applies to politics now?