Regionals vs. DETC - A Real Turf War

Good points.

DETC does seem to be growing. One of the things I noticed though when I checked out a couple was that the cost was as high or higher than some RA schools and the workload the same or in one case the DETC school's entrance requirements/prerequisites more stringent than some RA schools I had looked at. In that case, why pursue the DETC school when the RA school will have more utility. If a DETC school is the sole provider of a niche area than that is certainly in their favor above the other factors.

As I mentioned earlier, one area where DETC may have some effect is if it is ever approved for doctoral programs. No, I do not see it competing (at all) with PhD programs aimed at academia. Where it may be able to make in roads is with the scores of individuals who want no residency, affordable, accredited doctorates to enhance their position at work or for the title "Dr.".

If DETC schools can produce a situation where this occurs and the variety of academic/professional emphasis is enough to attract people, they may dent some of the market of your state universities, etc where people pursue their doctorates at expense and inconvenience for this purpose (professional/personal). Examples, DETC DBA's, Doctor of Management degrees, even EdD's & DMin's (in this category Berean now Global could probably offer a credible DMin).

North

 

Doubt it...

Bologna.

 

Oops. I forgot to mention that I sent you a brief PM in case in case you want to discuss it further.

 

Re: Re: Practice what you preach...

I doubt you can. I sent you a PM in case you want to discuss it further.

 

Re: Doubt it...

Ohhh, sharp, witty response.

 

NA vs RA

Eventually, federal funding is going to play a greater part of this problem than the ego aspect. The taxpayer will eventually be made aware of the hundreds of millions lost, due to student loans not being repaid, and this has given the government the edge over RA schools.
Joe Blow citizen doesn't care about NA or RA. If the Feds. say we are not going to fund RA schools refusing NA credits, RA schools will be at a loss. This doesn't make it right, just logical.
Am I wrong? I'm not arguing, just making an observation. I have never seen a local, state, or federal government, relinquish power once acquired. Just because something is right, does not make it a right.
I have had college(RA, NA), and high school students, that read at the 4th-6th grade level. Things certainally look glum to me. Now rip me apart egoists. Accreditation should depend upon student ability, pragmaticality, not local.
DETC will begin to play a larger, more accepted part, as the RA schools become too expensive and elite for regular folks to enter. Ray brought up a valid argument for testing. This could cull the pool and help place students in areas most beneficial to all.
People should be aware of their limitations. Testing is a practicable predictor of ratiocination. Sorry for blubbering, falling asleep.

 

Re: NA vs RA

First of all the government should not and most likely will not get iunvolved with trqansferabilty of credits to NA schools. All shcools have their own way of granting and accepting transfered credits and this varies from RA school to RA school,so Yes Veronica it is possible to take a class at one RA school and not have accepted for credit at another.

If the "average" person as you say are no longer able to afford higher eduaction at RA schools then what wil happen is a two tier system where RA students by virtue will be more sought out after (just like the tier system of today where if you graduate from Harvard it opens more doors then if you graduate from Amberton).So that is more "Pie in the sky" type of thinking.

Now standarized testing is not the most reliable measure of knowledge. The SAT has long been scrunitized aswell as every Graduate school entrance exam I can think of. Some people test better than others due to a variety of factors none of which are solely based on capability.

 

There is no two tiered system....

What makes you think they will not get involved? HR 4283 was proposed by House Republicans, and as I'm sure you are aware, Republicans have decent majorities in the House and Senate. There is every indication that they plan to pass the HR 4283 proposal, which includes a transfer of credit provision.

I made a few phone calls and sent a few emails over the last few months in an effort to learn more about the proposal's chances. I was told that the proposal should pass the House with ease sometime this summer, and that a bill could be ready for Presidential signature in a year or so. I was also told that if there are any snags, they will occur within the U.S. Senate.

Representative John Boehner (R-OH) and Representative Howard Buck McKeon (R-CA) seem to be the main players. You may want to contact their offices or visit their websites for more information. Here is a link to the proposal: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:h.r.04283:

 

<<First of all the government should not and most likely will not get iunvolved with trqansferabilty of credits to NA schools. >>

I disagree. This, to me, looks like it's going to pass. It's an issue of federal funding, not really accreditation. The feds don't want to have to loan or grant money to students to take the same classes twice...once in an NA school, then again at an RA school because the credit wouldn't transfer. It's a money issue...it'll pass.

Pug

 

It'll pass the house

It will never pass in the senate. There sits one hundred people who can always be counted on to stand in defense of elitism. Watch and see.

 

Turf

RobbCD,
It's a matter of money. And with the right publicity, it will pass. I don't care how many senate frat-rats there are, votes mean more than their mothers.
Remember, we are dealing with politicians, not a reasonable folk in the lot. We need to accept change, not fight about it. I'm a curmudgeon, just think how I feel about everything.
I'm rara avis and ventis secundis,tene cursum until I have to flee to the mountains and chill. Please excuse any errors, it's been 30 years since the Jesuits. And I never knowingly met a pedophile. A multi-million dollar suit would allow me to forget all this stercus.
Clay

 

Not so much money, but

Clay,
I don't think that this issue is so much about money, but it is about protecting power and privilege. If spending money on the same class twice becomes the issue in this debate, rather than sell out their alma-mater I can assure you that the money simply will not be spent (they'll cut it). Besides, when talking about politicians and votes, don't think for a second that either party is going to allow NA vs RA accreditation become some hot button issue. No way. That's what abortion and social security are for.

Ho-ho.

 

Turf

RobbCD,
Point well taken, if the media were to do their job, I'll go with the money. But I'm usually wrong about things. I like to believe people use logic, what a joke, and that's my downfall. Let us see what happens. If I'm wrong again, normal, I'll donate to your charity in your name. And quid pro quo if right?