Questions -Evaluated in detail by an external evaluator acceptable to ODA

I never said that anyone said CCU was a diploma mill, I just made a clarification.

You were comparing apples and oranges because the CCU DBA was declared unacceptable to the ODA. They dropped that program in order to get accredited.

The quote that I gave was NOT in the context of Berne. It was in the context that "The ACU indicates that the only recognized university serving the Nevis and St. Kitts area is the University of the West Indies." How does that refer to Berne??? It doesn't.

 

Well I disagree with your assessment about the DBA being the reaon for CCU being on the list. They were on the list because they were not regionally accredited or DETC accredited. To gain accreditation they had to drop all doctoral programs , their Psychology doctorate included as DETC doesn't accredit doctoral programs. Once DETC accreditation came they were taken immediately off the list.

AS for your 2nd statement any reader here can go to the website you posted and see that the question asked was about Berne University and it's status. The responses were in that context. Go to the Berne listing on the ODA site and it's right there. and I did agree with you that several of the other responses would indicate MUA would not be seen as accredited. One of those responses was "The ACU indicates that the only recognized university serving the Nevis and St. Kitts area is the University of the West Indies." So I did agree with you or acknowlege you were right. But the question to all these anwers was "Does your agency consider PH.D degrees issued by Berne University on St.Kitts to be equivalent to Ph.d degrees issued by a regionally accredited US institution?" So all the answers pertained to Berne.
I would ask readers here to look at the whole statement by AACRAO -"not your soundbite" and they can decide if this pertains to Berne or not.

 

You are flat out wrong. You are making up false information. They were on the list because the ODA evaluated the CCU DBA and found it unacceptable. Alan Contreras explicitly stated the facts on DegreeInfo as I relayed them to you.

 

ODA university?

is ODA a member of the NACES or are they a university?

 

Well, how about this...

(laferney wrote)
"Every once in a while I consider enrolling in the PhD program in Health Sciences offered at the Medical University of the Americas."
http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20380

That seems to clear things up a bit.
Jack

 

The quote I extracted refers to MUA as much as Berne, both in the negative. Neither one is University of the West Indies and University of the West Indies is the only recognized University in Nevis and St. Kitts. Now you can come up with something else that operates out of Nevis or St. Kitts, hypothetically let's say Laferney University and Bill University operate out of St. Kitts. Are either one of these the University of the West Indies? No, then that means that they are not recognized because only the University of the West Indies is recognized! It seems simple to me but, perhaps you should draw yourself a Venn diagram?

 

Again I will let others decide if I'm dead wrong or not. They can access past post and decide for themselves. It is not my intention to debate or engage you in a you're right-I'm right argument. I respectfully disagree with you-you respectfully disagree with me. Again everyone here can decide what info they consider correct or not.

 

Yes of course, so was ACU lying because the question's context was Berne rather than MUA? "The ACU indicates that the only recognized university serving the Nevis and St. Kitts area is the University of the West Indies." I choose to think that ACU was not lying just to make Berne look bad. I tend to think that they told the truth but everyone can decide for themselves. Or perhaps you meant that ACU really meant to say, "The ACU indicates that the only recognized university serving the Nevis and St. Kitts area is the University of the West Indies and Medical University of the Americas." They just forgot that last part in their zeal to make Berne University look bad? We'll let people decide for themselves.

I really think you should go for that PhD at MUA. You seem to have the necessary thought patterns required to defend bogus degrees. Another example, you aren't interested in any more degrees because you already have a half dozen, oh wait you are interested after all because you only have a half dozen RA degrees. We'll let everyone here decide if your unsupported assertion that there's many medical doctors practicing medicine within the USA with degrees from MUA is correct or not. Perhaps they teach psychic healing there? You know where the healer uses only his slight of hand to bust open baggies of pigs blood and then stirs it around on the victims stomach. See, I can make unsupported assertions as well.

I love it.

 

Gee Bill I guess I was wrong to say you Respectfully disgree! You certainly have alot of issues - if someone disagrees with you you resort to the kind of irrational outbursts seen on your last post. I even agreed with you and you still can't let it go. When I disagree with you accuse me of making up facts, having hidden agendas etc being a defender of bogus degrees. This is the only drawback to using degreeinfo-occassionally posters have to listen from some irrational outbursts who use this forum to project their hostility on to others for some unknown reasons.
I'd suggest you not respond to my posts and I not to yours to avoid this silliness. But I do invite readers to answer Bill's question-are there medical Drs. practicing medicine in the USA from MUA or did i make this up? Is this a unfounded lie on my part?

 

I'd like to suggest that no one respond to your posts. Of course that's just my opinion and others may differ.
Jack

 

Yes, I do enjoy being silly at times, just as you seem to enjoy being shilly at times.

 

Residences-MUA medical school grads in the US.
Go To:
http://www.mua.edu/alumn.php

 

Please follow Jack's advice IF....

I was glad to hear Jack's comments because if he follow his own advice that he gave to others I won't have to hear from him anymore! I do agree with him-if you don't want to answers my posts that's ok. I'm interested in corresponding with those degreeinfoers who can debate views different from their own without name -calling.labeling, or venting their pathology to me.
If you are serious about the topics I bring up or respond to in other posts, have a real (key word) sense of humor, and share the same sense of enjoyment in discussing these topics that I do by all means I'd love to hear from you.I won't be bullied out of here just because of a couple of " bad apples"
So by all means follow Jack's advice if you follow his way of thinking and like his style of interaction with others. if you don't like mine thats ok too. I think there are plenty of people who are reasonable and thoughtful that I can use this forum to contribute and receive good info from others.
I 'm done with this post as obviously it's run it's course when I have to write a post like this. My inital question was never really answered totally! FWD and Lerener did provide some excellent insight and thoughts and I thank them.

 

Hello!
I am new to this bb, so Hello.

With the medical residents in the US, MOST med schools and residencies are very aware of "off shore" med schools, like Saba for example (not an endorsement or condemnation).

Also, if someone applies for a residency from one of "these schools" they probably will not find a residency unless the offshore program is reputible (because no residency program wants their residents to screw up... bad for the res. prog, bad for the institution, bad for the patient, very bad for the pocketbook).


In the US, the Liason Committee on Medical Education LCME ( http://www.lcme.org/ ) is really the ONLY credentialling body medical schools & residencies give a flip about - because without it, they do not operate.

Uh, BTW, I work at a med school and have been involved in LCME reviews for our department (Family & Community Health)

For what it is worth,