Pleses list your fake school known on my list

Discussion in 'Accreditation Discussions (RA, DETC, state approva' started by zvavda, Mar 7, 2004.

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  1. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    Please remove California Pacific University from your list:

    http://www.cpu.edu

    It is a legitimate, California State approved institution.

    Thanks,

    Dave
     
  2. ernie741

    ernie741 New Member

    Time Bomb?

    This list is truly a time bomb waiting to go off. Even if just one of these schools is legitimate, the firestorm will not be extinguished so easily. I would recommend that it be removed by the original author. So much for recommendations. I'll step down from my soapbox now and go back into the shaddows.

    Ernie
     
  3. stevekurdzin

    stevekurdzin New Member

    Hi,
    Could you provide more information about American Pacific University. Is this a diploma mill or a non-accredited school?

    In my area there is a school whose name is also American Pacific University is recruiting student for some BA courses. Even, they invest money directly to operate a school here.

    Thank
     
  4. kozen

    kozen Member


    The list that was shown on the Australian's website was old, and didn't updated. Universities that were awarded accreditation during the last meeting (DETC etc..) was still in the Australian's list. Correct me if i am wrong, as the news for Accreditation meeting will only be released and keep known in United States only, so any countries that keep a list for all diploma mills will not be informed too.


    Kozen
     
  5. jugador

    jugador New Member

    You're right about the need to be careful in what one says on the web. I know a guy who got into serious legal trouble for something he posted on an Internet investment board. It wasn't untrue -- quite the contrary, it was EXACTLY true. Problem is it was from a copywrighted investment newsletter. When those investing gurus are getting up to $1,000 per year per subscription from newsletter subscribers, they don't much appreciate having the info disseminated free.
     
  6. iceskat

    iceskat New Member

  7. Ian Anderson

    Ian Anderson Active Member

    Why resurrect a 4+ year old thread to promote a questionable "university"?
     
  8. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    Hmmmm. I'm thinking that you answered your own question.
     
  9. jackrussell

    jackrussell Member

  10. Blackwelder

    Blackwelder New Member

    Wqhat about Columbia Pacific University?

    Back in the early '80's Columbia Pacific University, located in Mill Valley, California, offered a variety of doctoral degrees. I understand CPU was recognized by the State of California at the time.

    Later, CPU's license was "pulled" due to various reasons. I understand that CPU graduates are now persuing the establishment of a school of some type, similar to CPU, but with residence requirements, etc.

    I have two questions. One, is a CPU doctorate recognized if earned and issued prior to its' being closed? Two, how serious is the alumni imovement to establish an acceptable and recognized school?
     
  11. Dave Wagner

    Dave Wagner Active Member

    If you can prove that the Columbia Pacific doctorate was conferred according to the then current California Education code, then it is legally a doctorate; having the doctorate recognized depends on the context, because it won't be accepted where a regionally-accredited doctorate is required.

    I've heard some rumors of the Columbia Pacific alumni forming a school but I have no idea how this might help them; their degrees were earned with different curricula at a different school. How could the degrees could be "dry-cleaned" or something is a mystery to me...
     
  12. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    I know this list is from 5 years ago, but I want to point something out for the record. California Coast was DETC accredited in 2005. Prior to that, as Randell said, they were State approved.


    Abner
     
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  13. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    Since we're pointing out stuff for the record, I'd like to point out for the record that California state approval has been bestowed on non-wonderful institutions in the past and therefore is not very impressive, IMHO. (Note, I'm not referring to CCU as an example of the non-wonderfulness that achieved California approval.)
     
  14. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Even after 5 years....

    Hi -

    Even after 5 years of revisions, emendations and argument, the "list" is severely problematic.

    The list refers to Laureate University. If there is/was such a school, I could not find it, present, past, real or fake. However, if the list-compiler is referring to Laureate Education, he/she is certainly mistaken. Laureate Education has been the authorized distance-ed partner of the University of Liverpool for some years.

    The list also mentions LaSalle U. Granted, there WAS a LaSalle of less-than-sterling repute - but there is also the well-respected RA LaSalle University in Philadelphia. Not all LaSalles are equal.

    No "list" is anywhere near foolproof. Quarantining fakes without bungling and collateral damage is best done by real persons who can add 2 and 2 and get 4 - not 3 or 5 - and who have inquisitive dispositions. Unfortunately, much of the supposed fake-weeding is done through other, less effective means.

    Johann
     
  15. Abner

    Abner Well-Known Member

    True.

    Abner
     
  16. BillDayson

    BillDayson New Member

    This thread is five and half years old. The original list doesn't seem to have been revised or emended in all that time. So it's mostly of historical interest now, I guess, since hundreds of new mills have appeared in the years since. It would be interesting to know how many of these things are still in business, though. Maybe I'll google a few at random.

    http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?t=12717&highlight=laureate

    http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?t=9989&highlight=laureate

    http://forums.degreeinfo.com/showthread.php?t=13881&highlight=laureate

    All in all, I think that the list was a reasonably good start at a never-ending thankless task. If somebody wanted to actually use it as a reference for some purpose, then it probably needed some additional work.

    Zvavda seems to have originally compiled it by combining several lists if uncertain provenence that were bouncing around the internet back in early 2004. There are a small number of problem listings that need removal and/or clarification. But the vast majority of the "schools" that I recognized certainly don't look out of place on a list like this.
     
  17. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Thanks!

    Hi -

    Thanks, Bill - your points are well-taken.

    One thing, though - I believe the list DID get modified somewhere in the thread. I noticed some indisputably "real" schools (including Catholic Distance University - DETC) on the first draft that were later removed.

    I appreciate your pointing out Laureate to me. Its short history appears to go back a bit before my time in the forums, but that's no excuse for my not finding it. (There is no excuse.)

    And yes - constant proliferation of fakes etc. makes any listing of them a thankless and problematic task. I think we can agree that lists may be useful - but neither universal nor foolproof.

    The following comment originated with someone else, but I agree with it 100%: Sometimes in the war-on-fakes (as was the case in Hawaii) the actions of one determined attorney accomplish far more than a thousand lists.

    Thanks again

    Johann
     
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  18. Johann

    Johann Well-Known Member

    Further to...

    Hi again -

    I looked again and yes, Bill - the major re-vamp was done when the thread was only a day or two old. Not much since - and maybe there should have been.

    For the past five years, some totally legit schools would have been dismayed if they had seen themselves on this list - such as Tyndale College - now properly known (since 2003) as Tyndale University College and Seminary.

    This very real, legit, properly-authorized school is about an hour's drive from my door and you can see the website at www.tyndale.ca

    Shows the danger of sole reliance on lists, I guess.

    Johann
     
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  19. edwong3

    edwong3 New Member

    Hello everyone!

    I am new here and happened to come across this forum quite by accident. Anyway, this thread is really old and it seems the OP has left it abandoned long ago.

    I was dismayed to find that he/she listed the University of Metaphysics as a "fake school". It goes without saying that this school doesn't belong on this list, and that's an understatement.

    The educational organization that gave birth to the UOM was established 5 decades ago under that direction of Dr. Paul L. Masters, and has operated from day one with full authority from the state of California to grant religious, non secular bachelors, masters, and doctor degrees in the metaphysical sciences.

    I'm not here to promote the school but rather to denounce the irresponsible act of posting an entry on a public forum that may contain false, inaccurate, and defamatory information that was poorly researched.

    Hopefully, this kind of behavior isn't common on this board as I'd like to think.

    Good Day to all.

    EW
     
  20. Chip

    Chip Administrator

    The University of Metaphysics is an unaccredited program. As such, its degrees are near worthless (or, at least, not worth much more than a free degree from the Universal Life Church.)

    The doctoral credentials would likely be illegal to use in Florida and Oregon.

    While it would probably not fall under most people's definition of "diploma mill" it would definititely fall under the category of "less than wonderful", a category which includes a lot of diploma mills that people hesitate to call diploma mills.

    Just because a school has been operating for 50 years does not make it legitimate; in fact, I find it amusing that the school claims (or used to claim) that its legitimacy stems from being the "most advertised school of its type."

    The school also fails to mention that it is unaccredited, that its degrees will not be recognized by any reputable, accredited program. It does, however, go into an incredibly longwinded explanation of how holders of its degrees can essentially skate around legal requirements by claiming a religious affiliation.

    Someone who is interested in a legitimate, properly accredited degree in the sort of subject matter that the University of Metaphysics claims to offer could find it at JFK University, Institute for Transpersonal Psychology, or Naropa Institute, among dozens of other regionally accredited programs offering coursework in metaphysics.

    I also find it amusing that University of Metaphysics claims claims to own a copyright on the terms "Doctor of Metaphysical Science" and "Doctor of Metaphysical Counseling" and the abbreviations "Msc.D. and "Mc.D", and also claims a registered trademark on the Metaphysical Hypnosis and Metaphysical Psychology degrees.

    I couldn't find any record of a trademark application for either of those, nor a copyright on the other names... probably because USPTO does not grant trademarks on generic degrees, and the copyright office does not grant copyrights on titles.

    Oh, and a cursory reading of the "Prospectus" (I declined the "Fine Bound Copy Printed on High Quality Paper, Suitable for Any Bookshelf" in favor of a .pdf) reveals the scam that for $60 a year, you get the right to send a piece of paper each month to the school that they certainly don't read but claim to file in your "file", which they essentially offer as a buffer against claims that you aren't really a minister. I doubt this has ever been tested, and I doubt even more that it would work if it was tested, but it's an interesting scam to continue to get $60 a year out of people dumb enough to sign up for the program in the first place.

    Perhaps more research into this institution would be worthwhile. :)


     

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