PLEASE READ: New attacks against DegreeInfo

Discussion in 'General Distance Learning Discussions' started by Chip, Jun 18, 2003.

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  1. plcscott

    plcscott New Member

    What is AED? Just curious!
     
  2. Dennis Ruhl

    Dennis Ruhl member

    Are we sure that they are not socialists, out of touch with reality, who in an attempt to control the system end up destroying it? Or something like that.
     
  3. Myoptimism

    Myoptimism New Member

    They are charlatans who, in a self serving attempt to further their own agendas, try to convince people to support them (ie. buy the diploma and vigorously defend the validity of it) by appealing to the prospective student's laziness and amazing ability to rationalize away the obvious.
    I suppose a parallel might be trying to convince a people that 2+2=8 if only they would support turning competition into giant monopolies ran by the ever efficient government.
    Let's hear it for the all of the downtrodden whom once had dreams of their own.


    Tony
     
  4. roy maybery

    roy maybery New Member

    My opinion is that it is more realistic to suppose they are motivated by self interest to exploit the gullible and make s fast buck.

    It strikes me that we need some government intervention/state control here in the form of legislation to put the degree mills and charlatans out of business.

    Roy Maybery :)
     
  5. Myoptimism

    Myoptimism New Member

    I think most of us agree with that, as long as the intervention doesn't hurt more than it helps.

    Tony
     
  6. roy maybery

    roy maybery New Member

    "Quite so" we wouldn't want it to stay the invisible hand of market forces.

    Perhaps charlatan universities are part of the Darwinian natural order. Those employers who take on personnel with bogus degrees, will become uncompetative and be rightly weeded out. (Down with the stupid and weak, and in with the efficient.)

    Thus maybe we should leave charlatans alone to do their good within the market place.

    Just a thought 'maybe I shall becone a capitalist after all, though maybe not'

    Roy Maybery:confused:
     
  7. Myoptimism

    Myoptimism New Member

    Well Roy, the invisible hand is an important part of anyone who desires to understand a market at a basic level. But, it is hardly a strongly held tenant of most capitalists. When capitalists speak of a free market, they mean one that is open and can adjust freely to market forces. In a perfect world (and in our imperfect world in most circumstances), the invisible hand is quite impressive. However, as the Keynesian economic outlook states, sometimes the market can be improved through intervention. This is the fine tuning of an economic system.
    Fine, it would likely happen in the long run. However, to protect the public's interest, intervention is needed in the form of laws, statutes, and, most important, enforcement. Not all, and perhaps very few, capitalists are diehard laissez faire capitalists. While we understand the theoretical rightness of laissez faire, we also understand humanity's seemingly insatiable urge to take advantage of one another. Does anyone believe that this urge would die in a socialist regime, where more power is placed in fewer hands?
    LOL Don't worry, this is why we have a balance of power and opinion.

    Tony
     
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  8. roy maybery

    roy maybery New Member


    Well Roy, the invisible hand is an important part of anyone who desires to understand a market at a basic level. But, it is hardly a strongly held tenant of most capitalists. When capitalists speak of a free market, they mean one that is open and can adjust freelyto market forces. In a perfect world (and in our imperfect world in most circumstances), the invisible hand is quite impressive. However, as the Keynesian economic outlook states, sometimes the market can be improved through intervention. This is the fine tuning of an economic system.



    Are you suggesting demand management in the form of countercyclical fiscal policy? Sounds like we have a closet socialist here!

    Fine, it would likely happen in the long run. However, to protect the public's interest, intervention is needed in the form of laws, statutes, and, most important, enforcement. Not all, and perhaps very few, capitalists are diehard laissez faire capitalists. While we understand the theoretical rightness of laissez faire, we also understand humanity's seemingly insatiable urge to take advantage of one another. Does anyone believe that this urge would die in a socialist regime, where more power is placed in fewer hands?


    Surely, humanities isatiable urge to take advantage of one another. is fundemental to capitalism's underpinning motive of self interest. Yet you seem to argue that this insatiable urge must be curbed by intervention. It seems to me therefore that this same insatiable urge undermines the theoretical rightness of laissez faire


    LOL Don't worry, this is why we have a balance of power and opinion.


    Yes you are so right! it is people like us that stop the scales of power tipping in the favour of the greedy

    Roy Maybery
     
  9. Bill Huffman

    Bill Huffman Well-Known Member

    AED is alt.education.distance, a Usenet group that some posters on this forum used to subscribe to.
     
  10. Myoptimism

    Myoptimism New Member

    LOL
    Don't put words in my mouth Roy. I pretty sure you know exactly what I mean.

    Tony :cool:
     
  11. manjuap

    manjuap New Member

    Are you guys using Load balancing? If not i can help in designing and implementation. My 2 cents. Let me know.

     
  12. onlinephd

    onlinephd New Member

    Mazu Networks

    You guys need a product like Mazu Networks - tell your ISP to look into their DDoS product - works great ... I heard MTV uses it to protect their web site.

    Load balancers wont help much - they will only redestribute the load across several servers (if you have them) but wotn help stop the "bad/attack" traffic.

    Check out http://www.mazunetworks.com - look at their enforcer product.

    OpHd
     
  13. drwetsch

    drwetsch New Member

    I kind of agree that a possible source of the attacks may be from none wonderful schools. I would think that an outfit like the Romanian degree network has demonstrated that they have the computing power for massive IM and e-mails advertising their wares. What's to present this same source from using their computing capability for a distributed DOS attack.

    As a side note. I wanted to let you all know I really like the new look and feel of Degreeinfo. I hope to make a monetary contribution to support your efforts in the near future.

    John
     

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