PhD by prior publication

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  1. FTFaculty

    FTFaculty Well-Known Member

    I'm waiting to see if the OP takes the bait. Get the popcorn ready, folks. :D
     
  2. mbwa shenzi

    mbwa shenzi Active Member

    You’re welcome, but just so there’s no misunderstanding: EGS may be operating legally in France but it doesn’t follow from that that credits will transfer easily or that degrees will be recognised. And as for ASIC accreditation, well...

    One of EGS’ so-called worldwide partners is something called Irish Edu Hub in Malaysia. I don’t know what it is but the fact that old Irish International University was run by a guy from Malaysia makes me wonder what the Irish Edu Hub is, exactly.
     
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  3. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    Good point. Some people might be able to use these degrees for becoming an adjunct professor at some University provided that a NACES or an AICE( https://www.state.gov/m/dghr/flo/219100.htm) evaluation service can give you a PhD American Equivalency.
    For employment purposes, these degrees might work for self employment for professions that require licensing such as accounting, psychology or counseling provided that you can get a positive NACES member evaluation service report.
    Some people also get a PhD just so they can get an immigrant visa so again, the NACES or AICE report is critical for this purpose.
    Before putting my money in a degree from the above institutions, I would contact a NACES or AICE member evaluation service and validate that the degree would be recognized in the USA.
    I believe scholaro (AICE) has a database of the institutions they recognize below:
    https://www.scholaro.com/pro/Countries
    UCN is in the database so at least this one has a chance of a positive evaluation. AICE is not as recognized as NACES.
     
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  4. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    From the ones that you mentioned, the only one that I would consider is UCN. I have met few adjuncts with this credential teaching at some online schools, not a top tier school but it works for some for adjunct work. Adjunct teaching pays very low so if the purpose of the PhD is just adjunct on the side, UCN might do the trick with low investment.
    If your goal is to use it in the US, look for a NACES evaluation service that can pre evaluate the credential. I believe WES offers this service but I have learned that they have rejected UCN in the past mainly because Nicaragua is only recognized at the Master's level. WES uses as recognition system that only recognizes certain levels of education for certain countries, for example for Cambodia they only recognize a bachelors so a PhD is automatically rejected. This information is old and might not be the case anymore so you can contact WES directly and ask if UCN would be considered for a PhD.
    However, other NACES services might give you a different opinion. You only need one report from a NACES approved service, you might ask UCN directly and ask for a service they recommend for this purpose.
    Some schools also recognize AICE recognized credential evaluation services. So again, you might find one that recognizes UCN or any of the school above.
    IF you live in Europe, you then need an NARIC evaluation report for the target country and the similar situation applies. Other countries have different rules, for example in some countries listing in the handbook of international universities is a must and believe UCN is listed: https://www.whed.net/Headline1.html
     
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  5. Kizmet

    Kizmet Moderator

    This entire post is a gold nugget.
     
  6. Pappas

    Pappas Member

    [​IMG][​IMG][​IMG][​IMG]That's why I also mentioned: Please feel free to add other institutions that you would consider (low fees is a must).
    Thanx ;):)
     
  7. Pappas

    Pappas Member

    Some indeed interesting info in there ..thanx :)
     
  8. Pappas

    Pappas Member

    PhD for immigration .... or by immigration :D :D this was good one ;)
    Beyond joking great sources NACES or AICE thanx!
     
  9. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    If you have a PhD, you might qualify for a special visa that might fast track you for immigration to the US. I don't know the details but some people get it so they can qualify for this Visa. As long as you can get a report from an evaluation service that is member of NACES or AICE, immigration will take the PhD as valid even if it is from Nicaragua, Ukraine or India.

    Realistically, this type of PhDs is not going help you to land a tenure track at Harvard or MIT but might be good enough to land a modest paid job at a community college in California paying you 50K a year. Many colleges cannot fill positions in fields like accounting or IT because people with a BS are making 100K plus in the local market so they rely on immigrants to take a job that pays 50K and requires a Masters or a PhD. A friend of mine from the Philippines immigrated with a PhD in IT from his home country and now works as a CC teacher making a modest pay.
    For the average American, getting a PhD from Ukraine might make no sense but for a foreigner in places where the average salary is 10K a year, maybe is all they can afford and perhaps the 50K job in California that is not the dream job for the average American might be considered heaven for some people in other parts of the world.

    However, an American might find useful the foreign PhD from an unknown school if already holds a full time position that has a payscale that can give you a pay bump for a PhD. Some CCs have a better pay if you have a PhD, so it might be worth for me to invest 10K to get one and get a pay bump of 10K a year.

    There is also the professional adjunct, some people work as professional adjuncts with a MS but they might find hard to compete for jobs so they get the PhD from the obscure country just to qualify for some jobs. Again, if a school is paying $1500 per course, the school is not expecting a PhD from MIT.

    I have spoken with few hiring deans from online and small colleges that hire adjuncts and many believe that foreign schools from places like Ukraine and India are stronger than some of the American for profits. But again, it might be hard to justify a PhD from Ukraine or India in your CV if your name is John Williams and some people might believe you purchased the degree so I am thinking that the Nicaraguan degree might be easier to justify just because it might be easier for the average American that can argue Spanish heritage or just Cultural interest than an obscure school in Ukraine but again, some people might feel otherwise so it is a personal choice.
     
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  10. FTFaculty

    FTFaculty Well-Known Member

    True that...and a whole lot more. There is no shortage of accountants in public firms who are bachelors-only who make a ton more than that. A person who has enough education to meet the requirements to sit for the CPA in their state (usually 150 credit hours, 30 or so of them in accounting) could, after passing it, very well have nothing but a BSBA and make partner and end up making $200K+. In the Big Four, once they get established, probably starting at $250K+ in their 30s after having made partner, topping out at anywhere from $500K to $1 M. This is a big reason why they have such a hard time finding accounting academics. My closest friend on campus, a tax accounting prof, makes $170K a year, but had he stayed in his Big Four firm, he'd have been making partner right about now and possibly making 2x that. Not like historians or sociologists or international studies experts are out there with a clear path to a job making that kind of money. Most of them, their only legitimate option is academia or living a very modest existence.
     
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  11. RFValve

    RFValve Well-Known Member

    I agree, so the PhD in Accounting from the low ranked Indian school might be in demand in the US for the 50K job at the CC for the same reason.
     
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