Pat Robertson wants US to assissinate Chavez

The story is here: http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/23/robertson.chavez/index.html

This guy is indeed a good Christian!

 

Is the good Rev. Dr. Robertson suffering from a degenerative disease of the mind?

 

I'm pretty sure there is a commandment against this.

 

Robertson? You mean the very same person who wanted to nuke the state department? Another village idiot - and the very reason why I think that organized religion need to be taxed just like a business. CBN is a business - and the inbred's from the network need to pay taxes just like all of us.

When is the "moral" right going to quash this guy? If they were truly "moral", they would speak out against this dumb monger and put him in his place.

 

Where are Gregg and his gun when you need him?!!



marilynd

 

BTW, isn't "assissination" the same thing as castration?

Or was that just assination? No . . . that was little fauss' thread on animals licking themselves.

Perhaps we need to find a photograph of Robertson licking himself.

Sometimes these discussions can be SO confusing.



marilynd

 

Hmmm, if Hitler had been "taken out" before the final solution could be applied, imagine the lives that would have been saved.

Just a thought........

 

Well, now, just a minute here.

The U.S. has a history of targeted assassination of political leaders who threaten our major corporate interests. Remember Salvador Allende, the freely elected President of Chile whom the CIA actually ADMITTED murdering in order to install that monster Pinochet?

Then there was the murderous (and illegal) Reagan era intervention in Niceragua, our involvement with Guatamalan torture centers, our support of a singularly brutal military dictatorship in El Salvadore, and our repeated (and hilarious) attempts to kill Castro. (remember Hopscotch? The exploding cigars? That was based on FACT, friends. And don't forget the Bay of Pigs.)

And the list goes on. The Monroe Doctrine ostensibly defends Latin American republics from European interference but what it REALLY does is guarantee the U.S. a free hand in dealing with our "little brother republics".

Soooo, since the U.S. government has demonstrated time after time that murder and torture are appropriate methods for dealing with upstart Latin American officials, even those who were freely elected, why SHOULDN'T the Reverend suggest using murder in Hugo's case?

He really IS a wart and a scab. (Chavez, I mean. Though I suppose Robertson is too, now that I think of it...) He really WAS elected. Sounds like a job for the CIA!

 

To the Right Honorable Highly Esteemed Right Reverend Dr. Pat Robertson, I dedicate this song:

• 
  Remember when you ran away and I got on my knees and begged you not to leave because I'd go berserk??
  Well...You left me anyhow and then the days got worse and worse and now you see I've gone completely out of my mind.. And..
  
  They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!
  They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa
  To the funny farm. Where life is beautiful all the time and I'll be
  happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!!!!
  
  You thought it was a joke and so you laughed, you laughed when I had said that loosing you would make me flip my lid.. RIGHT???
  I know you laughed, I heard you laugh, you laughed you laughed and laughed and then you left, but now you know I'm utterly mad... And..
  
  They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa,
  They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa.
  To the happy home. With trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes and they're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!!
  
  I cooked your food, I cleaned your house, and this is how you pay me back for all my kind unselfish loving deeds.. Huh??
  Well you just wait, they'll find you yet and when they do they'll put you in the ASPCA, you mangy mutt!!! And...
  
  They're coming to take me away, ha-haaa.
  They're coming to take me away, ho-ho, hee-hee, ha-haaa.
  To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time and I'll be happy to see those nice young men in their clean white coats and they're coming to take me away, ha-haaa!!!
  
  To the happy home, with trees and flowers and chirping birds and basket weavers who sit and smile and twiddle their thumbs and toes and they're coming to take me away, ha-haa!!!
  To the funny farm, where life is beautiful all the time...
  

 

This is what happens when a religious leader makes a political ideology an object of such importance that he crosses the line into violating the First and Second Commandments. When anything becomes an idol, it throws you out of balance.

Jeshua walked the earth for about thirty years in an era when politicians were every bit as evil and self-serving as the worst Latin American despot, yet he never once called for assasination. He implored his followers to pay taxes to Caesar--their oppressor!--rather than assasinating him.

Niow I just need to go remove the political idolatrous beam from my own eye.

 

True, but which Hitler are we talking about, the 1933 Hitler or the 1944 Hitler? It other words, how do we decide which of the 1933 variety or going to become the 1944 variety? We don't know until after the fact.

And who will we trust to make this momentous decision?

And where do we draw the line? Actions? Thoughts? Tendencies?

Perhaps we should expose babies whose parents have certain unwanted social deficits.

It is all too easy--and too dangerous--to find future solutions in the presentist analysis of the past.

marilynd

 

I love that song.

It brings back fond memories.

marilynd

 

I must agree with you on all points!


Abner

 

I love that song, too, and now that I have the lyrics, I can sing along.

On the other hand, it must be politically incorrect somehow. Perhaps for the "ethically challenged". Lemme call my lawyer.

 

In all fairness, I have a feeling that even a lot o people on the "right" (as well as many Evangelicals of all political hues) would like to see Robertson shut up, but one can't exactly "quash" him, except by putting him on "ignore", something the media apparently finds his quotes too juicy to do.

Sigh....

Matt

 

What I meant by quash is speaking up against this kind of crap. If the right is truly moral, they need their leaders - religious and political to make a stand against this kind of behavior. Completely and for the record disassociate themselves. I think the right has quite a bit of backing from legitimate religious groups without having to worry about possibly alientating themselves from a few of Robertson's zealots.

Robertson is dangerous because he has the ear of quite a few true beleivers. The fact that he does this in the name of his god makes him even more terrifying. If anyone is arbitarily labelling someone a terrorist, then I can think of no one who better fits the bill of being a terrorist than Pat Robertson.

 

I don't know that I'm qualified to pronounce on who is and isn't a good Christian. I'll leave that job to the Christians themselves. But I definitely think that religious leaders who call for the assassination of foreign leaders have probably crossed the line of both responsibility and morality.

I want to make a more general point. It's that religious leaders often are charismatic figures who receive a great deal of deference from the people around them. That puts them into a situation where fewer of the normal social controls exist. As a result, religious figures sometimes go off the tracks and take their uncritical followers wih them. (The reductio-ad-absurdem is Jim Jones.)

 

"...Jonestown! You were in the sugarless line, as I recall!"

-Emo Phillips

 

Re: Re: Pat Robertson wants US to assissinate Chavez

I think you're exactly right.

That's the problem I have with the cults of personality and hero worship that we see in many of these pentacostal and evangelical movements. Not that I don't agree with much of the doctrine, not that I'm not on some level both pentacostal and evangelical (some of you could attest to the latter); it's the practice that makes me shudder. The fruits of their faith.

I believe many people give these leaders almost G-d-like status--it's idolatry. They look to them for the answers, and many of the leaders start believing their own hubris. Hence we get grotesquely-made up women who can cry a quart of tears on command, with hair so large it has its own weather system; we get bobble-headed evangelists who begin to see themselves as above simple morality (that's for the little 'uns) and start cruising the red light district, or live with a lavishness that would make Solomon blush, yet feel not the slightest hint of remorse that it comes at the expense of those little 'uns.

I may even call these people "brother" and "sister" on some level, I may one day share the Great Beyond with them, but I sure am repulsed at the way they behave, the garishness, the ugliness.

Sure doesn't seem to bear much resemblance to a simple ex-carpenter from a sleepy Middle Eastern backwater who said: "I don't even have a place to lay my head" and "If you want to be the greatest, then be the least, a servant and slave of all."

 

Re: Re: Re: Pat Robertson wants US to assissinate Chavez

Sure doesn't seem to bear much resemblance to a simple ex-carpenter from a sleepy Middle Eastern backwater who said: "I don't even have a place to lay my head" and "If you want to be the greatest, then be the least, a servant and slave of all." [/B][/QUOTE]

Exactly!


Abner