Pacific Western University

Re: Re: Re: Oh, no... you're doin' just fine.

So how 'bout you answer the questions I asked... you know... the ones that were surreal and not cogent? And which ones were those, again?

 

Let (A) = a former school official who was indicted on many counts of fraud involving sale of degrees, pleaded guilty, and was sent to federal prison, and is now out.

Let (B) = a much-discussed state approved university.

Let (C) = a member of the California Bureau for Private Postsecondary who is outspokenly opposed to chicanery in higher ed in the state.

Let (D) = the California law that prevents convicted felons from ownership or, I believe, management of state-approved universities.

As I heard it recently from an always-reliable source: At a recent convention, (A) presented a a business card suggesting a high-ranking title at (B). As it happened, he was sitting next to, and observed by (C) who is quite familiar with (D).

(No, (A) is not Kirk/McPherson.)

 

In the financial services world, these would be termed "forward-looking statements," not to be relied upon heavily. I guess we'll see the results as they occur.

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Oh, no... you're doin' just fine.

For you? Certainly.

Which questions do you want answered, as I answered most (if not all) of them and I'm not certain which questions you're referring to.

 

Actually, I am very troubled by the AACSB claim on PWU's website.

-They claim it stands for "Association for the Advancement of Collegeate Schools of Business" but that's not what the Association ever website called itself.

-Indeed, the Association has a whole new name that desn't match the abbreviation at all.

But if the representation is false, why doesn't the real association sue to protect its trademark?

And if the representation is false, why doesn't the State do something about it?

 

Well said! Thank you, Uncle!

New arrivals to Degreeinfo, potential students, DL learners-to-be:

Please, remember Uncle's advice:

Run, run, run away, fast, from the unaccredited entities and nefarious mills and their shrill apologists (you know them by their words).

PWE/PW"U" claims, and its two-faced boosters and apologists parrot the half-truth, which is - that PWE/PW"U" is now a member of AACSB.

However, they conveniently forget to mention that PWE/PW"U" is NOT ACCREDITED by AACSB or by any legitimate accreditor recognized by CHEA/USDoE!

Caveat emptor!

With the vast availability of legitimate and properly accredited US schools and programs, offering courses and degrees, online and offline, urban, rural or in-between, in several cost ranges for almost all budgets and situations, WHY WOULD YOU, or anyone, ever consider an unaccredited education or outfit?

Your name is permanent (well, almost, until and unless you decide to change it, legally).

Your unaccredited degree(s) is/are permanent, if you choose to obtain it/them. You cannot change it/them. They remain even after you depart this planet. They remain even if your "school" is shut down, forced to close or made to cease operations. You can add more degrees to the ones you already have or hope to have, you can even mix-and-match accredited and unaccredited "degrees" but you can NEVER erase the fact that you earned a "degree" (or two) from an unaccredited outpost or degree/diploma mill.

Why mess with something so unchangeable? So permanent? So indelibly a part of your character, your present and future?

If you have to, give your money to a worthwhile charity rather than pouring it into such a useless and wasteful sludge drain hole as an unaccredited entity.

There are increasingly diminishing valid reasons for considering an unaccredited degree, via DL or B&M.

(No. I have not preached yet. Please, do not make me.)



Thanks.

 

The person having been in jail previously, it must be cause for real concern on their part. I do feel something though for someone trying to make a living doing the only thing they've ever been successful at but having to be concerned with the truth being made public.

(BTW, the feeling I have is on the opposite end of the scale from pity or sympathy. )

 

Ah. Now I understand.

AASCB International is a legitimate accreditation agency founded in 1919 and many major schools of business and accounting claim AASCB accreditation.

AACSB is NOT a DOE recognized accreditor.

PWU does NOT appear on AACSB's list of accredited schools either as a business school or accounting program

What DOES appear on the AACSB International website is a HIGHLIGHTED warning that membership in AACSB does not impy accreditation by AACSB and should not be taken as such.

All PWU actually SAYS is that it is a MEMBER. It never actually CLAIMS AACSB accreditation.

But BOY does PWU imply that it is accredited!

Smells bad. Really bad. AASCB should restrict its membership to accredited schools.

But PWU

 

I agree, wholehearedly!

(Although I can understand the suggestion that offering membership to an unaccredited "school" may offer to the sincere-but-not-yet-accredited-school-intent-on-becoming-accredited-soon, a valid opportunity to confer with, comisserate with, to be mentored and guided by, some of the legitimate and properly accredited member schools.

However, PWE is taking advantage of this loophole - so throw them out!

The AACSB membership availability to unaccredited schools is a "loophole" that must be closed.

It is a one-way relationship. I do not see how it benefits AACSB in any way except perhaps, via the annual membership dues.

It (the membership option) is, however, beneficial to the unaccredited entity.

As PWE/PW"U" has amply demonstrated, it can use this membership in advertisements and other literature and propaganda to make it appear to unsuspecting students that membership is as good as accreditation, or worse, that it (the unaccredited school) IS accredited when it most clearly IS NOT.

It is almost as bad as claiming accreditation from a fake accreditor or paying ad agencies to list them in the same ads, columns and features as are properly accredited schools.

Thanks.

 

Re: the New Pacific Western University

I had to respond to this blatant shilling one more time.

It is a common trick for degree mills to promise that the all the bad behavior was in the past. The problems have been fixed. This diploma mill is on the road to respectibility.

History tells me that you are speaking falsehoods. It has NEVER happened in the past that way. We've heard the same nonsense time and time again from the even more blatant degree mill St. Regis University. You'll get zero slack from me. Once REAL verifiable quality improvements are made then you can make them known and I'll be very pleased. Until that time, keep your empty promises and falsehoods to yourself. Go sell your worthless degrees on other forums. I for one am not going to allow academic frauds and scams to get a free ride on this forum.

That was just a general statement not necessarily directed at the polite RXI. So RXI, please explain how you came by this "rumor" that PWU was under new management/ownership? Please explain how a few new web pages lead you to believe that PWU was no longer a degree mill and had become an upstanding institution of higher education?

 

Another Shilling of the My way or no way Inquisition

False Jake

All the members are encouraged by AACSB International to display the AACSB International logo and name on their Web site and other appropriate communications to stakeholders and the public.
http://www.aacsb.edu/members/nameref.asp


That is marvelous ridiculous Bill. Comparing PWU with Saint Regis, what a shaggy dog story!

 

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Oh, no... you're doin' just fine.

But, of course, that's a lie, isn't it? [a rhetorical question]

Do you really believe that you're being clever, crafty or witty by any this? Do you really believe that any reasonably intelligent reader, here, cannot see your little obfuscations, dodges and intentional misstatements of fact?

It is not a fact that you've actually answered my questions. Rather, you've slung weird comments at or about them or me in the hope of appearing clever... to whom, I do not know.

In fact, in classic "me again" form, you've refused to answer even my last two questions:

1. "So how 'bout you answer the questions I asked... you know... the ones that were surreal and not cogent?"
   
2. "And which ones were those, again?"

You will neither answer any of the questions -- including the ones, if any, which you did not consider to be "surreal" or not cogengt -- nor will you specify precisely which questions mett that criteria, in your opinion. Then you make what you think are clever little retorts, and use the "confused" emoticon, as if to suggest that the problem is somehow mine.

Wherever on earth did you learn such shoddy, substandard and ineffective debating tactics? What in the world could have ever possibly convinced you this this sort of meaningless, diversionary, cowardly behavior would be either effective or impressive? Do you have any idea -- I mean any idea at all -- how bad you're looking to everyone right now?

This is a truly pathological behavior on your part. You know what the questions are; and which ones you believe(d) were "surreal" and/or not cogent. But you will neither answer the questions you can, nor delcare which ones you can't on account of their surrealness or lack of cogency.

The reader can see what's going on here. I'm sorry -- and I mean truly sorry -- that you can't.

 

Re: the New Pacific Western University

I had to respond to this blatant shilling one more time.

It is a common trick for degree mills to promise that all the bad behavior was in the past. The problems have been fixed. This diploma mill is now on the road to full respectability.

History tells me that this is a falsehood. It has NEVER happened in the past that way. For example, we've heard the same nonsense time and time again from the even more blatant degree mill, St. Regis University. Once REAL verifiable quality improvements are made then you can make them known and I'll be very pleased. Until that time, don't spread empty promises and falsehoods on this forum. The best predicter of future behavior is still past behavior. Go sell meaningless promises and worthless degrees on other forums. I for one am not going to allow academic frauds and scams to get a free ride on this forum.

That was just a general statement not necessarily directed at the polite RXI. So RXI, please explain how you came by this "rumor" that PWU was under new management/ownership? Please explain how a few new web pages lead you to believe that PWU was no longer a degree mill and had become an upstanding institution of higher education? (I ask again but don't really expect RXI to answer this time either.)

 

Just for the record

Although the dialogue between Des and "Me Again" is familiar I want to assure the board that am NOT " Me again ".

I am pissed however, that "Me Again" was also bestowed the title " Sparky " by Des. I felt special.

How do I reclaim my title??????

I looked at PWU at one time too and I can't really make heads or tails of it so I shied away from it. I don't think that his accountant having the diplomas is that big a deal though.

For the record I have settled finally on UNISA for a DBL. I asked for and actually got an application and as soon as figure out all the stuff they want I'll send it in.

Until then and until someone takes my name away, I remain "Sparky"

Word.

 

Just for the record

Although the dialogue between Des and "Me Again" is familiar I want to assure the board that am NOT " Me again ".

I am pissed however, that "Me Again" was also bestowed the title " Sparky " by Des. I felt special.

How do I reclaim my title??????

I looked at PWU at one time too and I can't really make heads or tails of it so I shied away from it. I don't think that his accountant having the diplomas is that big a deal though.

For the record I have settled finally on UNISA for a DBL. I asked for and actually got an application and as soon as figure out all the stuff they want I'll send it in.

Until then and until someone takes my name away, I remain "Sparky"

Word.

 

title-ated

Liewe Vonkie/Dear Sparky:

UNISA is a good choice. Unlike PWE. But you knew that.

You also made a good point that if initial conversations with a school or "school" just don't quite seem on the up-and-up, caution is called for, whether on the question of legitimacy or on the question of whether a legitimate school's program or personnel are a good match for you. Nothing legitimate is harmed by double-checking. Nothing illegitimate is helped by it.

Oom/Uncle Janko

 

Thank you

Uncle,

The mere fact that you gave me back my title has made my day.
( I guess you can infer that my days are not too eventfull but nevertherless.....)

Yes, I am happy that UNISA was my final choice. I looked into Edinburgh, Glasgow, and a couple of RA's but decided that this was the best bang for the buck.

I understand that the application process is difficult and time consuming but I also have been told that the DBL is a well respected degree and is one that is well worth pursuing.

The only question I have not yet been able to nail down is whether or not I actually need to travel to SA. I read in the booklet that I don't HAVE to but they encourage it. That is something that I will definitely get in writing.

Anybody have any UNISA experience that can give me some practical answers?

Let the quest begin.

 

Bravo, Bill! What a marvellously appropriate comparison!

They are both (PWE and SRU) unaccredited.

They both quack like ducks so they must be ducks.

They both claim that they are new and improved and different from their predecessors.

They both claim to be under new management and they both unveil new websites - so all must be fine and dandy, right?

Yeah, right!

DLJ:

Read to understand. Do not pick and choose, helter-skelter, to support your unabashed shillings and one-liners.

For AACSB members (anyone):

"Members are encouraged to display the AACSB International logo and name on their Web site and other appropriate communications to stakeholders and the public"

For ACCREDITED AACSB MEMBERS (there is a big difference!)

"As an accredited institution, you are encouraged to use the special AACSB Accredited Logo to mark your achievement. "

Yes, AACSB considers ACRREDITED MEMBERS to be SPECIAL!

members = can display the AACSB International logo and name

accredited members = can use the special AACSB Accredited Logo

Big difference (which some shills hope, i am sure, students will not notice or care about).

More on AACSB Accreditation ......

"AACSB International accreditation represents the highest standard of achievement for business schools, worldwide. Institutions that earn accreditation confirm their commitment to quality and continuous improvement through a rigorous and comprehensive peer review. AACSB International accreditation is the hallmark of excellence in management education.

http://www.aacsb.edu/accreditation/

Ha! Do not pass over this one too quickly, DLJ.

Did you see "highest standard of achievement"?

Note, DLJ, that this designation and logo is only to be used for and by AACSB accredited members, NOT for PW"U" / PWE.

No confusion here.

No selective usage here, either.

Shills specialize in confusing potential students. Shills love confusion, like confusing being a "member" with being "accredited."

Not!

AACSB International needs to close that "member" only loophole. I know, DLJ, that THAT will not sit well with you but accreditation has its privileges.

 

Re: Just for the record

I am not going to get in the middle of this. Still, I wonder why not go to a CPA for something that might have big implications, and not just about the legality of a strategy, but more so, the efficiency of a strategy.
I for one would not trust a non-CPA to handle something of this nature. Double so for a non-CPA who displays two PW"u" diplomas. Then again, I would not even trust a CPA who displayed any PW"u" diplomas.
When something is relatively trivial, do you allow a "potential" fraud (as evidenced by possession and display of diplomas from a "less than wonderful" school) handle it? If not, then it is even more important to avoid "potential" frauds in situations of importance.
Just my opinion.

Tony

 

To LaJazz947:

My dear Wormwood,

I see you earned your J.D. and your B.S. both at Western State (an ABA accredited law school for readers not in the know).

Was the B.S. received as part of your J.D. program or was it a separate deal?